You go...girl?

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diablofdb wrote:

I think you should learn to accept that people have different opinions than yours or can disagree with you. Disagreeing with you is not bashing you or harassing you.

And me disagreeing with you doesn't give you the right to insult me over and over again. I have done nothing wrong to you, I simply disagree with you.

You insulting me won't change my opinions btw, it just gives me a very poor impression of you.

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AbdulAlhazred wrote:

I'm a very literal person Peng, so I'm uncertain where you're trying to take this loaded hyperbole. But let me dissect it and see where we can go:

Do you think we're cruelly mocking transgenders that enter official sporting events? No. Or, well, most of us here aren't.

Do you think we're ignorantly saying transgenders are on completely even footing with their transitioned gender? No: Muscle loss and fat gain are not enough to put them on equal footing with their new gender.

Do you think we're trying to stubbornly prove we're right? Yes. Because we are. And some of us (Bars aside, he seems the wiser between him and I in that he won't knock himself out hitting the wall) wish you could see the things we're trying to state. True, I could recall everything I've said and apologize. I could lie and say I felt I was wrong to say these things. What will it take to convince you? Actual scientific papers on the male heart, lungs, eyes, brain, bone structure, etc.?

Would you rather have, for the sake of political correctness, transgenders enter normal men/women events of their transitioned sex and have growing resentment over the years and decades from other professional athletes to the point where women start to cry out "Why should we even bother competing in this? Let's form our own events."

I'm stumped.

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diablofdb wrote:

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kolyaboo wrote:

Oh, wow. You guys are something. This thread will be locked. I guarantee it.

as long as the insults are coming from certain people it will be tolerated by the moderators, certain people have a free pass around.

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Bars wrote:

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Deadpeng wrote:

What I will finalize with is. Some of you who define your classification thought processes to 'whether there is a penis or not' are oversimplifying things. We actual researchers spent years of education to qualify to discuss Science and spend another decades to come up with an answer, if you people simply claim you found a counter-argument but turn out to be one or two sentences, that is almost disrespectful isn't it? I personally blame popular Science for this. Shows from people like Neil Degress Tyson(probably misspelt) talk in romantic pictures and the general public think they 'understood' Science by watching these! I refused to talk about all these because it makes sound arrogant but

If you really like Science enough to want to discuss it, stop playing POE and read at least 2 books a day.

Oh, anything I've ever claimed is this is my personal definition. And yes, it's quite simple - I like it that way. I try to simplify, life is complicated enough as it is. If someone else likes to use other words, that's all fine with me.

I'll also use feminine pronouns, if it makes someone feel better - great, not a problem.

But that doesn't change the way I actually view the world.

One of the many problems I can see with the increasingly totalitarian enforcement of political correctness, like Canada's infamous legislation about gender-specific pronouns, is that it creates a distorted and somewhat misleading picture, and reality has the nasty habit of slapping you in the face sooner or later. The more you stick to the make-believe, the harder the cognitive dissonance and the pain when it hits you.

To give a more specific example, let's say it becomes an actual law that everyone has to use whatever pronoun you choose and it's an actual criminal offense to offend someone (lul). Okay, great. So let's say I decide I want to be treated as female and demand that everyone call me "she". They comply, because the law says so.

Great. Next item on the agenda, I want to find a boyfriend. Everyone is treating me like a woman, it should be easy, right? Oh wait... these same people who are using my pronoun of choice don't seem too enthusiastic about the boyfriend idea?

Well, duh. It doesn't matter what you are forcing people to say, you can't force what they think. So, what happens in practice is we have created this polite little fiction but I have the actual problem that I can't know who would even consider becoming my boyfriend, because EVERYONE is pretending to treat me like a woman, and when I ask them why they don't want to go on a date with me, they all lie through their teeth: "I have a girlfriend", "I'm not ready for a relationship yet", "It's not you, it's me" and all that jazz. They won't even give me the real reason, because it would be offensive. Great! I can't even identify the problem with any degree of certainty! I can have a hypothesis, but what happens if I'm prone to self-delusion? How can I begin to go about solving the problem if I can't even identify it?

What do I have to do, approach a hundred guys until I find someone who actually digs my specific kink and would like to give it a go?

If I were a transgender person, I would actually prefer that everyone speaks their mind freely. So I've got a bunch of guys being jerks and calling me a he and all that? Great, I know which guys to avoid wasting my time with.

p.s. about Sarah: this is yet another example of her basically saying that someone deserves bad things to happen to him because he doesn't agree with her worldview. And she also called his epilepsy an "illness" with quotation marks. My respect just reached ground zero, and I am seriously wondering about the moderators' understanding of what is and what isn't acceptable in the forum.