experience penalty for re-running the same map types

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Perq wrote:

Define you ran. Entered? Opened? Fully cleared? Definition is unclear, and so would be programming such a thing.

what's your suggestion?

map type reset on killing the boss? ggg ever wanted to motivate players to do that and bound map availability on it. which kind of failed because the top players trade for maps or get them as presents if they stream.

binding map experience on killing the boss is a bit more pushy but tolerable?

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Perq wrote:

Also, seems to only be creating annoying barriers

the whole game is a barrier which needlessly prevents you from entering endgame mapping immediately after league start.

what problems exist and what do you suggest to solve them?

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vio wrote:

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what's your suggestion?

map type reset on killing the boss? ggg ever wanted to motivate players to do that and bound map availability on it. which kind of failed because the top players trade for maps or get them as presents if they stream.

binding map experience on killing the boss is a bit more pushy but tolerable?

Some maps are cheaper already - people do not want to do them, because they either have "annoying" layout, or boss is rippy. Only problem with that is these maps do not offer any bigger rewards, other than their lower cost of buying. :v Adding some more drops from these dangerous bosses might work. I doubt people would run those maps over and over, since other maps (with, for example simply layouts) would still be nice thing to have.

What I'm trying to say here, is that I'm against GGG's idea of "there must be good and bad maps" (or in fact, everything. GGG uses this flawed logic in skill design, too, it seems, as they refuse to bring older skill in line... but I digress). All maps should be worth running - be it because they have easy, sonic-speed layouts, or because they offer better risk-reward scheme.

Artificially punishing players for doing good maps, and forcing them into shitty maps, they do not want to do, won't bring anything good. Just look how people reacted to shitty Prophecies. Different is ok. Shitty is not.

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vio wrote:

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the whole game is a barrier which needlessly prevents you from entering endgame mapping immediately after league start.

what problems exist and what do you suggest to solve them?

Present players with choice, but meaningful one. But let the player chose - don't force the decision upon him/her with barriers like you will get shitty exp here. Give him the choice - you can run this map, which has easy layout, and you can rush it or you can pick this map, which has difficult layout/rippy boss, but offers more items/better drop from boss. You could probably think of other map types to pick from, but this is what I can think of right now. :P

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Perq wrote:

Present players with choice, but meaningful one. But let the player chose - don't force the decision upon him/her with barriers like you will get shitty exp here.

i think i'm providing more choices by letting the player freely decide on which map he wants to run instead of just putting difficult bosses into maps with a fast to clear layout and visa versa.

there should be easy to run maps with easy bosses which are fun to play but running them exclusively should have a drawback.

good things shine the more when there are mandatory bad things you have to get through.

wb back dirk,

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Why punish players for doing maps? If someone got a stockpile of a certain map type, why force them to trade or find or buy from a vendor different kind of maps?

to slow down the progress of map and player level progression in general and specifically in red maps where players usually don't have a high variety of maps (because there is none).

as it currently is, players who are online alot and trade alot can afford to buy the good map types off the market and chain run them to min/max their progress.

it's just too easy and also leaves other players who don't nolife the game with running less desirable maps as it's not profiable to run them themselves.

Why would you introduce something to hurt the player base even more?

You see a problem: "people spam gorges"

so you think: "lets nerf people spamming maps in a row".


This has to be the most uncreative and boring solution to a problem yet. The real problem are the XP nerfs to higher levels maps, AGAIN, they keep taking away the reward and leaving all the risk.

Sad thing is, I could see GGG doing something retarded like this because they never actually fix the problem; they just do short term fixes that doesn't actually fix anything in the long run.

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laycast wrote:

Why would you introduce something to hurt the player base even more?

You see a problem: "people spam gorges"

so you think: "lets nerf people spamming maps in a row".


This has to be the most uncreative and boring solution to a problem yet. The real problem are the XP nerfs to higher levels maps, AGAIN, they keep taking away the reward and leaving all the risk.

Sad thing is, I could see GGG doing something retarded like this because they never actually fix the problem; they just do short term fixes that doesn't actually fix anything in the long run.

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