Prolif nerf thoughts

Actually... Is 10% increased life then rate different from 10% max life then per second? Perhaps it is.

Hidden Potential is still jewel strong tho.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Actually... Is 10% increased life then rate different from 10% max life then per second? Perhaps it is.

Hidden Potential is still jewel strong tho.

FullBlownDaddy here. FullBlownDaddy says assume you have 8% life regen, 8*1.1=8.8.

Peace, FullBlownDaddy™

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Actually... Is 10% increased life then rate different from 10% max life then per second? Perhaps it is.

It is, FBD got it right.

It's 1.1x your current regen%. Even if you somehow got 15% life regen, it'd only be worth as much as a 1.5% life regen node.

Okay, so that jewel is just... bad.

Hidden Potential is still outrageous for burn builds. Magic helm, chest, gloves, boots; Kaom's Heart gets kinda shafted. Invitation better than a magic belt, but it's now a minor upgrade. Probably stick with rare/unique rings and ammy. Weapon slots obviously not magic. Still 100% increase from one notable (125% pre-Invitation).

With the amount of defenses you are losing from going rares (4 affixes by item, a total of 16 if you go for what you said) I don't t think it will be worth it. Surviving is way more important than damage.

I'm not saying survival is irrelevant, but "Defenses" are basically a noob trap. This is why Acrobatics has always been good - it's not that Evasion is so great, it's that switching some Armour to Evasion and halving the rest doesn't change much, while dodge is a mechanic which actually matters.

Just stack life and profit.

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tramshed wrote:

Freeze prolif is pretty ridiculously powerful as well.

Not quite. The only real application freeze prolif has is dealing with trash mobs. Bosses almost never get frozen an appreciable/useful amount of time, most often it is burn/shock/chill on them.

Granted I love freeze prolif myself for its defensive capability, especially like with ColdSnap-Trap-Prolif. But I wonder how good that setup will be now, without taking increased AOE/damage on tree to compensate. The first result I see in this case is the freeze not lasting nearly as long, which is a direct nerf to its defensive potential. I would still test it to see how useful it can be though, ie placing 3x ColdSnap-Trap-Prolif at opening of a box should still be a legit means of crowd control. I hope.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I'm not saying survival is irrelevant, but "Defenses" are basically a noob trap. This is why Acrobatics has always been good - it's not that Evasion is so great, it's that switching some Armour to Evasion and halving the rest doesn't change much, while dodge is a mechanic which actually matters.

Just stack life and profit.

If by saying "defenses" you meant armor/evasion then I'd agree. But I'm hoping you aren't including things like MoM/AA/EB/Light Coil/CoD/etc. All of those are (or were) excellent means of stacking "defenses". Not a "noob trap" by any stretch of the imagination.

Acro/Phase Acro are very good, but their reliability is always going to be in question. That's why flat mitigation (like AA/LC/CoD) is always going to be preferable or something to aim for first imo.

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I'm not saying survival is irrelevant, but "Defenses" are basically a noob trap. This is why Acrobatics has always been good - it's not that Evasion is so great, it's that switching some Armour to Evasion and halving the rest doesn't change much, while dodge is a mechanic which actually matters.

That's true, they aren't as good, but as of 2.0, I wouldn't be so sure of this. Armor got reworked, so the numbers may be different. Armor really only needed a slight tweak for it to be decent defense. Even now, there is a noticeable between a character with 0 armor and a character with 2000 armor for example.

Doesn't Elemental Proliferate have a 30% less damage multiplier? That would apply on the initial hit and the DoT portion, that's a huge nerf.

By defences I meant AR/EV.

Every (non-Acro) character has at least 6000 Armour. At least, when they need it.

Thus, the difference between 0 Armour and 2000 Armour is pretty much irrelevant.

As covered earlier in thread, new Prolif penalty is 30% less damage at gemlevel 1 and 20% less at glvl 21.