I am annoyed with TS for the wrong reasons.

I played the same build last league. It didn't matter which bow skill I used, everything was too easy. Even though Tornado Shot is strong I could not see that it was the skill itself that was overpowered, but the fact that you get super high crit chance with a weapon that has really high base damage, ie death/decimation/harbinger bows while being out of harms ways, ie ranged.

Wands are more balanced. They have low base damage and the mods are difficult to roll. Staffs are also better balanced as they are melee weapons and the mods are difficult to roll.

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puviel wrote:

I played the same build last league. It didn't matter which bow skill I used, everything was too easy. Even though Tornado Shot is strong I could not see that it was the skill itself that was overpowered, but the fact that you get super high crit chance with a weapon that has really high base damage, ie death/decimation/harbinger bows while being out of harms ways, ie ranged.

Wands are more balanced. They have low base damage and the mods are difficult to roll. Staffs are also better balanced as they are melee weapons and the mods are difficult to roll.

The only reason i find TS far better then all the others is when you use drill neck and take the pierce nodes above acrobatics your clear speed starts to get rediculous, one shot everyone while moving at 127+% move speed

So, is this thread an indirect "look at my build, my build is so good" -thread or a serious thread about "needed" changes for TS?

What do you suggest they should change for TS?

If you want to pinpoint something "broken" in this set up, it should be Drillneck and not TS. Pierce (as a support gem and/or curse and passive stat) was already usable utility for group clearing in bow set ups (when compared to chain, fork) since it made it possible to hit several mobs with full damage instead of splitting your arrows and doing less damage.

Then they added Drillneck which turned pierce into really fucking strong damage support on top of the added utility it already provided. You can swap your TS for Split Arrow (or any other bow gem really) and you would still demolish shit the same way.

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stormyknight wrote:

The thing is though im not a glass cannon, did you see the amount of evasion and dodge and spell dodge i have. I can go afk in 78 maps surrounded by mobs and with EC+IC setup and my defenses come back and barely have been touched.

"Sure". Truth is you won't and even if you did that super popular CwDT set up of yours will be fixed in 1.3. anyway.

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stormyknight wrote:

This build is not even anything like a glass cannon. Its a cannon with a predator camo suit. The ONLY thing in the game that comes close to doing even a dent on me is atziri thats it, not even 169% dmg mod maps bother me.

It is a glasscannon. 3,9k life with only "take the full damage or take none" - defenses. There are plenty of things which instantly gib you. The game has to be balanced around hardcore play so builds that get great damage (at the cost of defenses) and die every now and then are fine (and only viable in softcore).

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stormyknight wrote:

Reflect ?

lol wut ?
Ele Reflect.. Drop an aura..

Get acuity and you dont even need to do that.

You need to do adjustements to survive reflect, how is that OP? Sounds about right to me.

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stormyknight wrote:

The other side that everyone is missing is that, the skill itself is an enabler of multiple "archtypes".

Why would i ever make a mf toon i can do it with TS
Why do i need to spec for clear speed for xp gain TS
Why do i ever need to change setup for atziri / uber TS

1 build 1 skill ALL aspects of gameplay.

No other builds claim that.

If my other characters could do the same as i can with a TS ranger then i wouldn't be complaining but they simply cant. You either need multiple characters to do each different thing or you pile in the regrets.

Any good ranged or totem build/skill with good gear does this, melee does it too but will have harder time with IIR/IIQ stacking. There are plenty of builds that would do it at the gear level you have (good 6L, some powerful and more rare uniques and generally okay to good rares).

/deaths

@Grugul

Again this isnt a whine about TS being OP. Even though it IS i love tornado shot i hope it never changes. Also this is not even my build its a 75% copy of the neversink build in the ranger forum.

It is not that i want TS to change but more that i cant do the same stuff with another build. I wish i coupld play my witch and then do some mf on her when i dont want to level but im severely gimped without every other gear piece nd sme goes for just about any other build.

TS Is the jack of all trades and master of all.

You say totem builds can do the same as this one can ? Thats plain untrue and i have made 3 different cullers over the years and none of them are 1/5th the speed of this. Sure they can mf but not like this build can. To add to this can these same totem builds go and kill uber and atziri with a simple gear swap, HAHA no chance. Maybe normal atziri for a totemer but your going to be there a LONG time not the average sub 10 minute runs it takes a TS ranger..5mins if u skip trash..

No other build can just take a good weapon pile on the iir iiq and stomp their way to victory as easily as this one can.

The build is also 150% HC viable. Ziggy played it last league and TRIED to get killed and failed...Last league it was more op then it is now.

Also on the defense thing. If i have time i will make a video but i just tested for my own amusement standing in a pile of the juggernauts in a shrine map and it took them a good 30 seconds to get me to half hp...Who the hell stands in a pile of juggernaugts for 30 seconds though, this build 1 shots them from range.

The vaal temple map i completed had multi proj and added fire dmg and yet i completed it in my "glass cannon" build while also tanking face hits from the cyclone boss at the end.

/deaths screenshot?

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Barivius wrote:

/deaths screenshot?

My deaths screenshot is jaded by the fact i mf 75+ maps in my mf gear, not going to lie in the Magic Find gear its 1 shot city IF u get hit but you learn to play and not get hit after doing atziri enough.

But in my normal gear i find it near impossible to die.

LOL you try wearing all the crap i listed which i magic find with and have 18k dps still and not have a get 1 shot build while doing 75+ maps at a speed thats not a slug aka totem.

I dont really see what the deaths count has to do with anything anyways ? Plenty of people play TS in hardcore and do atziri with it.

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stormyknight wrote:

@Grugul

Again this isnt a whine about TS being OP. Even though it IS i love tornado shot i hope it never changes. Also this is not even my build its a 75% copy of the neversink build in the ranger forum.

It is not that i want TS to change but more that i cant do the same stuff with another build. I wish i coupld play my witch and then do some mf on her when i dont want to level but im severely gimped without every other gear piece nd sme goes for just about any other build.

TS Is the jack of all trades and master of all.

You say totem builds can do the same as this one can ? Thats plain untrue and i have made 3 different cullers over the years and none of them are 1/5th the speed of this. Sure they can mf but not like this build can.

No other build can just take a good weapon pile on the iir iiq and stomp their way to victory as easily as this one can.

The build is also 150% HC viable. Ziggy played it last league and TRIED to get killed and failed...Last league it was more op then it is now.

Also on the defense thing. If i have time i will make a video but i just tested for my own amusement standing in a pile of the juggernauts in a shrine map and it took them a good 30 seconds to get me to half hp...Who the hell stands in a pile of juggernaugts for 30 seconds though, this build 1 shots them from range.

The vaal temple map i completed had multi proj and added fire dmg and yet i completed it in my "glass cannon" build while also tanking face hits from the cyclone boss at the end.

So what's the point of this thread? What do you want? Why did you make this thread? You also contradict yourself

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stormyknight wrote:

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46 rangers saw read and left without saying a word lol. C'mon people TS is WAY to OP, either every other build needs to be brought up to its level of utility / power or it needs a whack with the bat so i dont feel bad playing other builds.

TS isn't jack of all trades and it certainly isn't master of all.

Of course dedicated cullers don't have same clear speed but that's not how they are built either...

For example, here's a totem build that only takes a 6L (could be even tabula), can stack IIQ/IIR etc. [1.3.0 HC] Zaun's Level 100 Blood Magic Dual Crit Flame Totem (Atziri HC Capable, 200k+ shotgun dps) and with decent gear it does more damage than your TS ever will without Glyph Mark or similar bow.

Ziggy had closer to 5k life and way less damage, wasn't even near as glasscannon as you are.

Look, if you feel you're annoyed and bored with TS (since playing it for 2 leagues) play something else. There are so many more builds that perform just as well or better if you just try them.

I tried TS before on axn's bow and windripper and it only lasted me what, 1 or 2 maps before I switched back to Split/Chain? Well actually Windripper only lasted me 2 maps before I speccted out of it (its that bad), but yea TS just has terrible clear speed that's why I don't mind it at all.

You keep saying omg look at the dps, the dps with mf gear the dps dps dps! Then talk about how it's hardcore viable, they don't have as much dps considering they actually have to not get 1 shot.

Hardcore players don't have 3.9k hp at level 89 with 0 mitigiation (as in reducing damage WHEN they get hit because no matter how good you are, you will get hit.)or mf with negative resists and even lower hp considering the gear.

Bows builds in general are very good, TS is 1 of the better skills out there, no denying that but nowhere near as good as you make it out to be.