ok just got curious and looked at AXN's shop

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grant_m wrote:

People who want mirrored items don't do it that way though, Victor. They either bot the orbs themself, or purchase pre-botted orbs from the local rmt site in order to make the service purchase.

The current way 'mirroring' works in PoE does nothing but perpetuate rmt, unfortunately.

that's what I said a couple of pages ago but my post was deleted by moderators cuz they said I'm accusing people :P

well....still....I totally agree with what you say here. and AXN and other guyes...etc....etc...

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grant_m wrote:

People who want mirrored items don't do it that way though, Victor. They either bot the orbs themself, or purchase pre-botted orbs from the local rmt site in order to make the service purchase.

The current way 'mirroring' works in PoE does nothing but perpetuate rmt, unfortunately.

So lets make mirrored items uselesss because its assumed that people rmt or cheat to get the orbs for buying the service? that doesnt make any sense

also i know a fuckload of people who have gotten mirrored items who dont RMT or bot to get them, they just did old fashioned farming or selling of legacy/high end items on standard.
Honestly man, its not that hard to get a mirrored item.

Its now how mirroring works that perpetuates RMT,mirroring is a minute part of the game, its the way itemization and drops work that perpetuates RMT, people RMT items because its hard to find and to get them,

GGG could really just buff drops rates massively and fuck up RMT companies since no one would buy anything anymore because they could just find or buy items from players fast, and honestly i still cant find a reason for which they dont do that, the economy is already knobbed, they might as well get rid of RMT.

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VictorDoom wrote:

So lets make mirrored items uselesss

Dat hyperbole. Calm down and put forward a respectable case, I'm sure the rest of your post has some good points but I couldn't be bothered to read it after this BS.

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gorillajuice wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

So lets make mirrored items uselesss

Dat hyperbole. Calm down and put forward a respectable case, I'm sure the rest of your post has some good points but I couldn't be bothered to read it after this BS.

bullshit? its exactly what was suggested if sir can bother reading a bit, it was suggested that items can only be mirrored once, that is making them useless since only 2 people can have them.

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VictorDoom wrote:

You cant afford to mirror something so you dont want anyone else to have it mirrored is the only reason i can think for this suggestion, mirrores have been in the game since the start, the fucking PoE logo on the site is a mirror......theres no reason to make it useless.

First, mf in this game just give you the opportunity to farm alts. You will never get 4-5 ex per day unless you farm alts for 20h a days.

At best playing 8h a day you will make an ex per day (and it is already great)

Second, I don t get why you don t want to limit the number of Mirror use on an item. It would actually force those rich to craft again new weapons, make them spend exalts and buy exalts. IT would give the economy a fresh boost because they would need to spend again 300 ex to craft a new top mirrorable axe or whatever.

It would of course make Mirrored items more expensive... is that a bad idea? those things are supposed the be GOD items, and I think they should be more expensive because more rare.

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lolozori wrote:

First, mf in this game just give you the opportunity to farm alts. You will never get 4-5 ex per day unless you farm alts for 20h a days.

At best playing 8h a day you will make an ex per day (and it is already great)

Second, I don t get why you don t want to limit the number of Mirror use on an item. It would actually force those rich to craft again new weapons, make them spend exalts and buy exalts. IT would give the economy a fresh boost because they would need to spend again 300 ex to craft a new top mirrorable axe or whatever.

It would of course make Mirrored items more expensive... is that a bad idea? those things are supposed the be GOD items, and I think they should be more expensive because more rare.

just because you dont know how to farm doesnt mean it takes 8h a day to make an exalt, i made 10 exalts, pure, no in alts or chaos, actual exalts, in the last 2 days by farming, in roughly 3-4h of playing per day, please continue to tell me how its not possible.

The rich people wouldnt bother to make ANOTHER weapon, thats the point of it, theyll make one for themselves, offer a copy for an absolutely insane amount of currency that wstill wont cover the crafting process and theyll never make one again since you cant get any profit out of it. You have no idea how much currency goes in crafting an item.

Would you rather spend 200 exalts mirroring an items or spending 4000 exalts crafting one? Because thats what this suggestion would result in, 2 people having the best X item in the game.

More expensive? they wouldnt exist, there will be an original and a copy for every base, making more than one best item per base is pointless because you can not profit from it.



Guys, how about you stop making arguments that yourself wont even believe in and go play some POE, stack some MF, do some farming, mirror some items,have fun, shitposting wont help you.

Because honestly, ive heard some bad ideas from people on the forums, but these last 2 pages its like arguing with the embodiment of denial and jealousy.. you can not possibly believe in making items only able to get mirrored once, that all people who get mirrored items RMT, that mirroring an item needs a limit and that people who craft items RMT... its ridiculous.

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VictorDoom wrote:

just because you dont know how to farm doesnt mean it takes 8h a day to make an exalt, i made 10 exalts, pure, no in alts or chaos, actual exalts, in the last 2 days by farming, in roughly 3-4h of playing per day, please continue to tell me how its not possible.

Are you playing in standard? I have a mediocre mf about 400/150 there. Unless you farm for 20h straight you will never ever do 10 ex in 2 days. At best if you are lucky and find a unique items worth something, but it is like playing lottery and then it don t work with "try mf and get rich right away "argument.

Don t know how much a mf build in temp can get you rich, but in standard there is no way you can get 10 ex with a mf without legacy items.

But I am not an expert, so I could believe you if ever you can explain me how you do it.

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VictorDoom wrote:

The rich people wouldnt bother to make ANOTHER weapon, thats the point of it, theyll make one for themselves, offer a copy for an absolutely insane amount of currency that wstill wont cover the crafting process and theyll never make one again since you cant get any profit out of it. You have no idea how much currency goes in crafting an item.

Would you rather spend 200 exalts mirroring an items or spending 4000 exalts crafting one? Because thats what this suggestion would result in, 2 people having the best weapons in the game.

More expensive? they wouldnt exist, there will be an original and a copy for every base, making more than one best item per base is pointless because you can not profit from it.

So you tell someone in this thread he might be jealous not to have a mirrored item, but here you seems to claim if a system like this is happening it would make people like you or me not being able to get a top item.

Well I am not jealous and I think those items are hard work and only a few must get them. I don t see the problem those people just crafting one, get cash and leave the game. actually knowing a little how they got rich at the first place , it might not be bad they leave the game.

If your point is to say this game suck without being able to get a mirrored item. well then you should ask GGG to balance their game instead.

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lolozori wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

just because you dont know how to farm doesnt mean it takes 8h a day to make an exalt, i made 10 exalts, pure, no in alts or chaos, actual exalts, in the last 2 days by farming, in roughly 3-4h of playing per day, please continue to tell me how its not possible.

Are you playing in standard? I have a mediocre mf about 400/150 there. Unless you farm for 20h straight you will never ever do 10 ex in 2 days. At best if you are lucky and find a unique items worth something, but it is like playing lottery and then don t work with the only "try mf and get rich right away argument."

Don t know how much a mf build in temp can get you rich, but in standard there is no way you can get 10 ex with a mf without legacy items.

But I am not an expert, so I could believe you if ever you can explain me how you do it.

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VictorDoom wrote:

The rich people wouldnt bother to make ANOTHER weapon, thats the point of it, theyll make one for themselves, offer a copy for an absolutely insane amount of currency that wstill wont cover the crafting process and theyll never make one again since you cant get any profit out of it. You have no idea how much currency goes in crafting an item.

Would you rather spend 200 exalts mirroring an items or spending 4000 exalts crafting one? Because thats what this suggestion would result in, 2 people having the best weapons in the game.

More expensive? they wouldnt exist, there will be an original and a copy for every base, making more than one best item per base is pointless because you can not profit from it.

So you tell someone in this thread he might be jealous not to have a mirrored item, but here you seems to claim if a system like this is appending it would make people like you or me not being able to get a top item.

Well I am not jealous and I think those items are hard work and only a few must get them. I don t see the problem those people just crafting one, get cash and leave the game. actually knowing a little how they got rich at the first place , it might not be bad they leave the game.

If your point is to say this game suck without being able to get a mirrored item. well then you should ask GGG to balance their game instead.

around 120% iiq and 180% iiR is what i have, less than you, by a lot, and yes i am wearing legacy iiq items to get that MF, im not playing the lottery im finding what i need to find consistently and making large amounts of currency in a short time by doing it.

gear,if you think im lying for some stupid reason:


MF-ing and finding your method of MFing is the only foolproof way to get rich, standard or torment, doesn't matter.


Of course, he cant get one so none of us should get one, is his argument, do you feel like thats a good idea? its the logic of an angry 5 year old. He could get mirrored items, if he fucking bothered to try and get currency to get them, but hed rather sit on his ass and moan that he doesnt have anything, this "solution" would mean that none of us could get one, whether we work towards it or not, and that is ridiculous.

Honestly, you can not belive in this, i refuse to believe that this is anyones acutal real opinion, that mirrored items, the best items in the game, should not be available. I do not and will not believe that this is a real opinion, because its possibly the stupidest thing i have ever heard, to make the best items in an ARPG unavailable.. Whats the fucking point of playing if you do that

The problem of those Mf items , they are legacy. You and I are able to farm better things just because of that. I don t know how it works once you get the nerfed items, once you have none Iq on rings or amu.

The game should be balanced on being able to get rich without legacies.

I believe you can get rich with that, I just can t believe you get 10 ex in 2 days with that without playing more than 10h a day.

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VictorDoom wrote:

Of course, he cant get one so none of us should get one, is his argument, do you feel like thats a good idea? its the logic of an angry 5 year old. He could get mirrored items, if he fucking bothered to try and get currency to get them, but hed rather sit on his ass and moan that he doesnt have anything, this "solution" would mean that none of us could get one, whether we work towards it or not, and that is ridiculous.

Honestly, you can not belive in this, i refuse to believe that this is anyones acutal real opinion, that mirrored items, the best items in the game, should not be available. I do not and will not believe that this is a real opinion.

Na, asking a nerf because you can t use the item is stupid I am agreed. That is like those people asking for legacy items in standard to be erased. THat is just pure jealousy.

But, Those rich crafter have an unlimited pool of renewing cash. It shouldn't be that way. Those people are so rich they buy other people crafted items , just to be the only one to be able to mirror top gear in the game.

Look at his shop, half of those items he buy them then resell the mirror fee. Half he crafted.

That is screwing the economy if only 2 people can monopolize the market of mirroring items.

I think nerfing the amount an item can be mirrored is nothing wrong, it is common sense. It makes power creeps less numerous. If an ARPG is all about items and not about skills then this ARPG is a fail. There is no obligation to have mirrored items to be able to rekt everything in game. Those Mirrored item are just god-like items and you should not have more than few players having them.


Still, if this game need mirror items to be able to work, If this game need mirror items to be able to PVP, there is a problem in the game balance itself.

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lolozori wrote:

The problem of those Mf items , they are legacy. You and Hi are able to farm better things just because of that. I don t know how it works once you get the nerfed items, once you have none Iq on rings or amu.

The game should be balanced on being able to get rich without legacies.

I believe you can get rich with that, I just can t believe you get 10 ex in 2 days with that without playing more than 10h a day.

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VictorDoom wrote:

Of course, he cant get one so none of us should get one, is his argument, do you feel like thats a good idea? its the logic of an angry 5 year old. He could get mirrored items, if he fucking bothered to try and get currency to get them, but hed rather sit on his ass and moan that he doesnt have anything, this "solution" would mean that none of us could get one, whether we work towards it or not, and that is ridiculous.

Honestly, you can not belive in this, i refuse to believe that this is anyones acutal real opinion, that mirrored items, the best items in the game, should not be available. I do not and will not believe that this is a real opinion.

Na, asking a nerf because you can t use the item is stupid I am agreed. That is like those people asking for legacy items in standard to be erased. THat is just pure jealousy.

But, Those rich crafter have an unlimited pool or renewing cash. It shouldn't t be that way. Those people are so rich they actually buy right away others people crafter items to be the only one to be able to mirrored top gear in the game.

Look at his shop, half of those items he buy them then resell the mirror fee. Half he crafted.

That is screwing the economy if only 2 people can monopolize the market of mirrored items.

Still, if this game need mirror items to be able to work, If this game need mirror items to be able to PVP, there is a problem in the game balance itself.

People do the same exact thing in the new leagues, without legacy items, and they get very rich, those items havent been in the new leagues since like 1.1 or something, my friends did a fuckton of piety and dominus farm in the new leagues, getting soul takers, kaoms, shavs etc. i played roughly 3 to 4h per day to get around 5 exa a day, but i do not do boss farming, i do not know why you refuse to believe this, i have nothing to gain from lying to you about MF-ing ffs.


Those people do get currency for free now, yes, since they have finished crafting the items and now they jsut wait for services to pop up, but there isnt anything anyoen can do about it, you can not make items have a mirror limit because its just completely against every single instinct of a ARPG game, to limit the number of best possible items in the game, and you cant just take them away from them lol

my point is that any ARPG has the best possible items for X build that people work towards, this incredibly stupid solution would remove these items and basically remove all incentive to farm and to keep playing, since youll never be able to get the best items for your character.

And you dont need mirrored items to PVP... at all, people use them, but you can kick ass without them, look at some of the high ranking players, quite a bit of them do not have mirrored items because they simply do not need them for PVP