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RagnarokChu wrote:
It's extremely rare for a person to have an item even mirrored since you know, it requires someone with a mirror ~.~
well since the guy doing the Mirror Service is already holding most of the mirrors on the server in his stash, he can provide the mirror in exchange to its cost in Exalts + the Mirror Fee.
now you should ask yourself "how many people have upwards of 200 Exalts for a single transaction", and the answer is likely "more people than those who have 1 Pure Mirror".
not to mention it's one hell of an RMT encouragement. I hear RMT sites offer Exalts in bulk discounts ;)
No idea why you think people would RMT less if there weren't mirrors.
Also RMT "encouragement" exists in any game were people are too lazy, don't want to put the work in it or want it now. Which is in every game ever, since in single player games people just hack/cheat in it without paying money.
Also did you even actually look at axn shop. 80% of those items nobody ever mirrors and it cost anywhere from 200-2000 exalted to crafted one.
He only really makes money from legacy items and the popular items such as the bows or daggers.
Almost everyone outside of AXN loses huge amount on their crafts or cannot compete since they already exist. (Why would I craft another godly ambusher for 2k exalts when I can pay a mirror + fee for one).
The reason he is in his position is because he happens to be the first person to collect and continuously invest his profits into more items while they were cheaper. As well as the thousands of hours he put into the game and mastering crafting/trading. People act like it just "happens" because of "trade." like it's magic or something.
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Posted byRagnarokChu#4426on Jan 9, 2015, 5:38:17 AM
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Just change the way the mirror works: On applying a mirror to an item, both the copy and the original item get the "mirrored" flag, and the original item can not be mirrored anymore.
Optional: allow "mirrored" items to be modified by currency.
(Oh boy, I'd love for this to happen if only for all the nerddrama it would cause.)
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Posted bymruuh#6761on Jan 9, 2015, 5:59:55 AM
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Just change the way the mirror works: On applying a mirror to an item, both the copy and the original item get the "mirrored" flag, and the original item can not be mirrored anymore.
Optional: allow "mirrored" items to be modified by currency.
(Oh boy, I'd love for this to happen if only for all the nerddrama it would cause.)
Ever looked into the suggestions section? Yeah, that way over there ---->
I posted exactly what you just said.
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Posted byDeletedon Jan 9, 2015, 6:03:01 AM
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Posted byspartansainy#7619on Jan 9, 2015, 6:14:23 AM
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RagnarokChu wrote:
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iuxtaignem wrote:
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LSN wrote:
This is why I suggested a maximum of 10 mirror copies per item about 18 monthes ago before it gets 10% more chance to get destroyed each further mirror attempt #11-20 (10%, 20%, ... 100%).
This way mirror level items would not be a lifetime moneymachine but still allows the crafter to get something out of his craft before he can stop mirroring it or get at risk of losing the item.
Your analysis is very right that the economy is crap. GGG failed to think things like this through to the end. When the problem became visible (about 18 monthes ago) they still had the chance to instantly take care of it - but they didn't.
My suggestion would in fact be a very healthy thing to do. It would as well reward other players to craft second and third best weapons. There is no reason to compete with these guys nowadays cause if you do not craft the very best and divine it up to the very best with thousands of divine orbs than simply noone will mirror it and you get stuck on it and its costs but always the same guy gets hundreds + mirror fees for one of his items that allows him to craft the next and the next and the next of this kind. It is broken.
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I'm not sure if your aware that most crafts fail to make a return on their crafting cost ;v
Also I know no idea how many times you think an item is mirrored, people would post how many times it has been mirrored and their fee on the page itself. It's extremely rare for a person to have an item even mirrored since you know, it requires someone with a mirror ~.~
For the reason that they either do not craft the very best of its kind or the reason that the item class in general is useless (e.g. who mirrors a mace when you can get a gg dagger and get 10 times as strong? who mirrors a non crit amulet when all non crit builds are way inferior to crit build?) which is a matter of balance, that is overall kinda bad in poe too. I asked for balancing existing stuff better since 18 months too.
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Posted byLSN#3878on Jan 9, 2015, 8:03:42 AM
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mruuh wrote:
Just change the way the mirror works: On applying a mirror to an item, both the copy and the original item get the "mirrored" flag, and the original item can not be mirrored anymore.
Optional: allow "mirrored" items to be modified by currency.
(Oh boy, I'd love for this to happen if only for all the nerddrama it would cause.)
Why?
You cant afford to mirror something so you dont want anyone else to have it mirrored is the only reason i can think for this suggestion, mirrores have been in the game since the start, the fucking PoE logo on the site is a mirror......theres no reason to make it useless.
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Posted byVictorDoom#6290on Jan 9, 2015, 12:39:07 PM
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mruuh wrote:
Just change the way the mirror works: On applying a mirror to an item, both the copy and the original item get the "mirrored" flag, and the original item can not be mirrored anymore.
Optional: allow "mirrored" items to be modified by currency.
(Oh boy, I'd love for this to happen if only for all the nerddrama it would cause.)
Why?
You cant afford to mirror something so you dont want anyone else to have it mirrored is the only reason i can think for this suggestion, mirrores have been in the game since the start, the fucking PoE logo on the site is a mirror......theres no reason to make it useless.
Oh look, another "jealousy" argument.
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Posted bygilrad#6851on Jan 9, 2015, 7:50:31 PM
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VictorDoom wrote:
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mruuh wrote:
Just change the way the mirror works: On applying a mirror to an item, both the copy and the original item get the "mirrored" flag, and the original item can not be mirrored anymore.
Optional: allow "mirrored" items to be modified by currency.
(Oh boy, I'd love for this to happen if only for all the nerddrama it would cause.)
Why?
You cant afford to mirror something so you dont want anyone else to have it mirrored is the only reason i can think for this suggestion, mirrores have been in the game since the start, the fucking PoE logo on the site is a mirror......theres no reason to make it useless.
Well, mirroring the same item 50 times isn't good for the game actually. Don't care if it is 1 or 3 or 5. I just think that there should be a limit.
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Posted byrockmassif#5784on Jan 9, 2015, 8:00:12 PM
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VictorDoom wrote:
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mruuh wrote:
Just change the way the mirror works: On applying a mirror to an item, both the copy and the original item get the "mirrored" flag, and the original item can not be mirrored anymore.
Optional: allow "mirrored" items to be modified by currency.
(Oh boy, I'd love for this to happen if only for all the nerddrama it would cause.)
Why?
You cant afford to mirror something so you dont want anyone else to have it mirrored is the only reason i can think for this suggestion, mirrores have been in the game since the start, the fucking PoE logo on the site is a mirror......theres no reason to make it useless.
Oh look, another "jealousy" argument.
*DRINK
i know this argument is overused, but unless he is brain damaged i cant find any other reasoning for his argument.
anyway, people who are anti mirroring items have no played enough POE to understand why mirroring is an amazing feature
honestly all of the people who look at the mirror prices and fees think its impossible, i have a tip for you, try stacking MF, you can make around 4-5 exalts a day(3-4h of playing) with decent MF, do taht for some time and you can afford to mirror an item pretty quickly
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Posted byVictorDoom#6290on Jan 9, 2015, 10:40:29 PM
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People who want mirrored items don't do it that way though, Victor. They either bot the orbs themself, or purchase pre-botted orbs from the local rmt site in order to make the service purchase.
The current way 'mirroring' works in PoE does nothing but perpetuate rmt, unfortunately.
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Posted byDeletedon Jan 9, 2015, 11:02:13 PM
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