Until melee is fixed, a lot of people will not comeback.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

well 8k armour on its own is certainly not very useful, but if you were an armour spec youd be getting more like 25k+? Which still imo nowhere near as good as getting 15k armour with 8k evasion and ondars, at that point I'd argue armour is a very useful part of a strong defensive setup. Don't get me wrong you obviously dont need those things because you have over 10k life, your damage is insane, youre killing uber... safe to say thats a seriously GG character for sure so thats absolutely not a criticism, just a general observation for different builds than yours. Im presuming legacy kaoms, with kaoms you lose your biggest slot for armour so thats the tradeoff, you cant do both efficiently and if you do one you probably dont need to do the other.

Kaoms has that life buffer which allows you to take big, spikey elemental damage without worrying too much, which against uber atziri is massive. But for general mapping that defensive loss is a thing imo. I watch kaoms armour builds on streams etc, and theres times where they very quickly lose 4k life in a situation where a proper hybrid armour+evasion setup or a coil evasion acro setup would barely have been scratched. I feel like sometimes the kaoms enthusiasts think "see, if I had a 5k life build there I would nearly have died, thank god for 10k hp" without appreciating they would probably have taken about 400 damage if they wernt wearing a 664 armour chest with no evasion+ondars in their setup.

The lifepool method works though for sure. My ci melee witch is the same, awful defenses compared to proper hybrid/coil, takes ridiculous amounts of damage by comparison, but 10.5k energy shield so you can afford to. I think where it goes wrong is when you make a 5k life character and still have like 8k armour, base shield block and thats your defenses, might cut it with a 10k life pool but without that you need actual defenses, 8k armour is not defenses, its about 1/4 of what you need. Double it then add 8k evasion and ondars, and a little more block. How? Well use some of the exalts you saved not going kaoms heat or ci.


The cost thing, its not purely a melee issue. A shavs crit arcer or a shatter chuck build is way more expensive than most life based melee for example. Attackers in general, ranged or otherwise are more expensive than spell casters, ci almost anything is more expensive than the life version. Some builds are more gear intensive to work, I think thats always going to be a thing. Life melee is far from the most expensive thing in PoE, you could build an entire character that can beastmode lvl75+ maps for less than the price of a shavs, and to make the shavs as tanky as you are already that guy needs to spend as much again on other slots, maybe more.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

I already said why shavs is bullshit:no drawback with really op benefit.

Solaris enables the same builds but has a real drawback. Shavs does all kinds of really op shit and has NO drawback. You can easily be resist capped with other items and even if 900 es was somehow lower than the usual rare item (which it really isn't) you can run discipline on your life plus another aura still while getting extra damage from low life nodes.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

I don't have a shavs but I have played with CoD on several builds which has ZERO resist unlike shavs which has a good lightning roll, and I never had problems capping resist, ever. Least of all if I were given a slot to place an extra purity aura.

The status affects apply to literally every ES build in the game and is not specific to shavs.

You are not required to stack more DPS items in your other slots while using shavs, that is a choice you made due to how OP some of the low-life items can be.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Lol, you're barking up the wrong tree guy. If I had a shavs the only thing I'd do with it is sell it. Everybody on these forums knows what kind of builds I play and they aren't shavs builds.

Fact is it's OP, moreso than Mjollnir because Mjollnir has real drawbacks namely the cost to wield. Shavs has no drawbacks for the builds it enables. Anything missing from the item itself is easily picked up elsewhere or made up for with the flexible and easy benefits provided.

You don't need any other items besides shavs to use a shavs build, you can play the game with nothing but shavs, rares, and pain attunement and be twice as effective as non-shavs builds because of the extra auras with no penalty and inherent benefits of Pain Attunement and the like.

Does it break the game by itself the way Mjollnir or CoC can? I guess not, but in my mind any bullshit mechanic that has no drawbacks is, well, BS mechanic. It has no penalty for the builds it enables and as such even does fine in builds that aren't designed for shavs.

Compare that to Mjollnir, which is total bullshit in the builds it is designed for and yet can't be wielded by normal characters because normal characters don't have 400 of two stat types. Shavs has nothing holding it back, it's just a really stupidly good chest piece without a penalty.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

Lol, you're barking up the wrong tree guy. If I had a shavs the only thing I'd do with it is sell it. Everybody on these forums knows what kind of builds I play and they aren't shavs builds.

Fact is it's OP, moreso than Mjollnir because Mjollnir has real drawbacks namely the cost to wield. Shavs has no drawbacks for the builds it enables. Anything missing from the item itself is easily picked up elsewhere or made up for with the flexible and easy benefits provided.

You don't need any other items besides shavs to use a shavs build, you can play the game with nothing but shavs, rares, and pain attunement and be twice as effective as non-shavs builds because of the extra auras with no penalty and inherent benefits of Pain Attunement and the like.

Does it break the game by itself the way Mjollnir or CoC can? I guess not, but in my mind any bullshit mechanic that has no drawbacks is, well, BS mechanic. It has no penalty for the builds it enables and as such even does fine in builds that aren't designed for shavs.

Compare that to Mjollnir, which is total bullshit in the builds it is designed for and yet can't be wielded by normal characters because normal characters don't have 400 of two stat types. Shavs has nothing holding it back, it's just a really stupidly good chest piece without a penalty.

So 2 items do the same thing, one has drawback (pretty significant) the otherone doesn't but is super rare. One is OP the other isn't? Come up with a build that uses shavs and NOT EXPENSIVE rares\unqiues in other slots that make it op, you won't be able to. The item enables those low life builds, it doesn't make them OP, auras do, flask do, its everything about low life WITH EXPENSIVE items that makes it op, but that is any build. By your logic solaris lorica should be OP too.

Again this really has nothing to do with melee....