increasing amount of legacy items - unsportsmanlike

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Its like you buy a car and they say they gotta nerf its speed, you wouldnt be happy with that either, right?

When you buy a car, u pay real money for it. The car is your asset. You drive the Car.

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When u buy a legacy shav with real money. It's against the TOS. You will be banned :P

The shav belongs to GGG. Not you.

You are just playing the game.




Just kidding, hehe, i understand where you are coming from.

But, tbh, at the end of the day, it's more impt we enjoy the game, rather than worrying abt the value of yr stash right.

I hate the legacy part aswell. It's not that it hurts me that some people run around with better gear than me - it just feels off to have items in the game that were deemed too powerful. Since I have played PoE quite a bit now, I also have my own share of legacies, but I wouldn't mind if all legacies were brought into place. I just have a feeling GGG can't do it technically, or maybe just took the legacy part too far to turn back. A shame.

Standard will always be a BS league with ruined economy legacy items or not.

The way other arpgs fixed that mainly diablo, was complete wipes.

People would flip their shit nowdays if that happened. So GGG gave us a compromis. A graveyard like league (standard) where the fallen useless characters eventually go, while you play active leagues. Standard should have always been just a fallback league where people go to test things or blow their currency once they die/league ends.

Really like that there are a lot of uniques - we even need much more.

Really dont like that most of them are useless crap (for lategame) though

If I'm not not mistaken most owners of legacy items are old players who have been here supporting and playing poe earlier than most players. Is this not fair that they get to keep the items that they earned by supporting the game they love? Are ppl jelly because those people found poe before you and there's no way to get those items without dropping tons and tons of currency and paying those vet players for what they really did EARN. Yes they did do something that you did not do. This fairness thing only matters in a pvp aspect because outside of that the only thing that legacy items hurt is peoples e-wenis.

I say instead of crying over the plant manager making more money than a brand new scrub that was hired yesterday put in some hard work and hours and someday you'll make as much as that guy.

Just my 2 cents. PvE legacy who gives a fuck? Pvp legacy needs nipped in the bud before the real QQ threads begin and we drown in the tears of socialism.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

They've said they'd have to take the game servers down for a matter of days if they chose to do this.

Well, do it, and/or try resolving the legacy machine they have created.

Poor programming and not being able to predict the effects of the system implemented created this. If GGG wanted to retain "legacy characters" they'd allow legacy skill trees and legacy gems - this is not the case.

Technical limitations are only legit ones here, and even tho some people like having OP items, I see no reason for that to continue.

Same thing goes to desync - technical stuff. Can it be justified? No. Work needs to be done on that, and saying its all ok, won't suddenly make it ok.

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deathspenalty wrote:

Standard should have always been just a fallback league where people go to test things or blow their currency once they die/league ends.

Opinion. Some people enjoy playing on Standard. I do, actually. Even tho I play temp leagues too, your point is really poor.

Should I now say that temp leagues should be beta-tests for the MAIN GAME, as GGG refers to Standard? And because of that, temp leagues can be ignored in terms of quality and balance? You are free to chose, but don't go around saying that thing you don't need it useless in general.

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firenotes12 wrote:

If I'm not not mistaken most owners of legacy items are old players who have been here supporting and playing poe earlier than most players. Is this not fair that they get to keep the items that they earned by supporting the game they love? Are ppl jelly because those people found poe before you and there's no way to get those items without dropping tons and tons of currency and paying those vet players for what they really did EARN. Yes they did do something that you did not do. This fairness thing only matters in a pvp aspect because outside of that the only thing that legacy items hurt is peoples e-wenis.

I say instead of crying over the plant manager making more money than a brand new scrub that was hired yesterday put in some hard work and hours and someday you'll make as much as that guy.

Just my 2 cents. PvE legacy who gives a fuck? Pvp legacy needs nipped in the bud before the real QQ threads begin and we drown in the tears of socialism.

I'm from closed beta and no I don't think that's fair.

The logic isn't sound either. GGG changes the game based on how they want it to play, nothing should stand in the way of that. People earn things all of the time that GGG still has to change or wipe, why should anyone be able to pick and choose when GGG can or can't make the changes they want to make.

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LimitedRooster wrote:

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mego950 wrote:

Because then they would have to explain why it isn't a "supported" league and why it is considered the garbage league. This unfortunately, would have to bring to light mistakes on their end too. I don't think it would look too good.

It's an inherent design of the Diablo clone paradigm. The economy doesn't rot items like the economy in real life does, so all they can do is flush everything down the toilet periodically. Even if botting wasn't trivial (mouse clicking is sooo easy to automate) inflation and malaise takes root... I'm sure the #1 thing leaguers enjoy most, is seeing those shiny sparkling clean storage panes. Way moreso than league-only uniques.

My point was a response to someone saying that Standard should have a warning before it. A warning would put into question why a league ingame would even need a warning.

If you put a beware sign up before a league, you're gonna have to explain why you do that. GGG is completely at fault for legacies (as it is their game), so they would have to publicly explain to newer players that they screwed something up. As I said, this wouldn't look good.

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firenotes12 wrote:

If I'm not not mistaken most owners of legacy items are old players who have been here supporting and playing poe earlier than most players. Is this not fair that they get to keep the items that they earned by supporting the game they love? Are ppl jelly because those people found poe before you and there's no way to get those items without dropping tons and tons of currency and paying those vet players for what they really did EARN. Yes they did do something that you did not do. This fairness thing only matters in a pvp aspect because outside of that the only thing that legacy items hurt is peoples e-wenis.

Errr no. They did not EARN having the better items than everyone else. They were LUCKY to be around when those broken items were released.

It is like saying that giant corporation should be allowed not to pay taxes, because it is functioning for so long now. Right?

They did not do anything beyond playing the game before other players. So no, it is not fair. And as you can see, it feels that way.

I own some legacy items, and tbh, I'd love to see them all being changed. (inb4: "EUHUHEUHEUEH, THESE ARE NOT AS COOL AS LEGACY KAOM'S, LOL GTFO JELLY NOOB, LOL. - this is what "elite" part of community is saying.)

Wait, what? Not this again..

Look, we are all riding on the same road. some (most of us) have to do it in a normal car, while some other ones have old, gimped cars that go faster.

This could frustrate you, until you realize that this road we are on is not a race track, and you are not competing against anyone, but the road itself. Then is simply does not matter anymore who is going faster and who has the best car, the game becomes about enjoying the journey.

If you cannot enjoy the journey, then I highly suggest you change the way you look at this game.

I will never have a legacy shavs or koam. Do I need one? NO. Do I want one, sure I do, but it is not required for me to enjoy this game.

The only, ONLY benefit players having Legacy items have, is being able to amass easy currency to change their character into another one to quicker go over the same road.

I prefer to pace it more slowly and to enjoy the countryside. After all, I will get there eventually, that is the nature of this game.

the sooner you realize this, the sooner you will be able to enjoy this free game carefree.