[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Casia wrote:

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Hoping someone can answer this.

What's my optimal 4 link and 5 link for Non Drillneck Tornado Shot since I'm starting in the Essence league? The gems listed up top are different from the ones listed down in the skill section.

Currently I'm running with TS - LMP (I'm using Death's Harp so no need for GMP) - PPAD - SLower Proj


Can anyone (maybe even Neversink? lol) advise me whether this is wrong and if so, what i should be using and what I should upgrade to 5link.

My non-drillneck TS.
5 link. TS-GMP-FA-PPAD-Ptl.

a 6l would probably be WED.

but gear as well,
102% WED on rings/belt/quiver.
A good amount of +elem/phys on rings, gloves.

And atziri's promise.
(and vet bowyer as a pathfinder.)

What is and isn't optimal kindof depends on your gear. My case, I got a good amount of elemental drops, so augmented that. Pure phys, you may want pierce/poison.
Deaths harp's raw damage is low. But, its crit multi and +arrows is VERY nice. And can be upgraded to Deaths Opus. Deaths opus's raw damage is better, but still not usually end game material. But again, that very high crit multi, and 2 added arrows is very nice. If you want to make an endgame item out of it. Focus on CRIT. Thus inc crit strikes, power charges and assassins mark. Added Chaos, and poison also good again.
The +2 arrows also means you can drop down to LMP and save "10% less damage."

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demogorg wrote:

Hey everybody, started a phys tornadoshot build following kinda this guide.

I can completely understand that pathfinder is the strongest option, but for me personal its to stressful to always check on the flasks and spam them at the right time.

so i decided for the deadeye since the raider seems the weakest option. Which ascendancyies are the right ones since we got 8 now and the guide covers "only"6

was away for like 6 month maybe the patches in between also changed like the ascnedancie points for deadeye overall?

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Problemkind1903 wrote:

Hey Guys,

well I experimented a little bit and now I'm a little desperate because nothing works like it should.

My Plan:

Spoiler

- Go the defensive Skilltree (More Life, capped Res etc)
- Go Tornado Shot/Blast Rain with decent DMG (Def should be priorize here)
- Farm Mid-High Tier range Maps withour Problems

What happend?

Spoiler

I don't know, i have unbuffed
- 5k Life
- 9k Eva
- 40% Dodge Attacks
- 44% Dodge Spells
- overcapped Res ( 97%, 79%, 95%, -9%)
- 47% Movement Speed
what sounds nice in theory but in practice it's rly hard to handle single bosses. I'm Lvl 90 and was killed by an Lvl 7 Vagan o_O wtf?
And my character can't outregenerate my Blood Rage. I have to use Stone Golem.

My Skilltree:

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAQBeAO4FLQW1CC4IiQ2NES8VIBa_GY4hdiLiI9Mj9iT9JpUqCypNLOkuUzBxMHwx-jWSNj03TDfUOdQ6Qj7PPydDMUd-R-JKfUrIS3hM_02STipRR1VLVYVW-loaW69daF3yYeJirGVNbIxuqm8ncFJ07XXLdf129311fyt_gIRvhNmGs4bOh3aJ04w2jX2Nfo2Sjb-PYJAKlQWaaprxm42dqqCfpDmly7TFtUi18r02vea-p8EzwuzDM8edyqnNmNNv037UI9RC2L3awd0N3ajjn-dU6mLrY-0_7YPuDu969qP3Pf4K_rr_EP_e?accountName=Problemkind1903&characterName=Problemizoor

My Gear:

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That's the first time i have no idea where the problem is. Can some1 help me please? If u want a private message is okay, too.

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Casia wrote:

yeah, I am not a fan of raider. I tried it out with my flickerstrike char, to give it a fair shake. I think raider needs an entire rework. deadeye at least gives unique buffs ONLY deadeye provides.

Evade does not protect from spells. And even attacks its only when it works. physical hits get through. Dodge does the same thing, with spell dodge in acrobatics added in as well. This is why I push armor with pathfinder. you have physical DR, in addition to Elem resists. And even can have chaos resist, and more elem DR. covering all your bases.
raider "avoid" and dodge is just like Acrobatics. it will fail eventually. But is nice for reducing consistent incoming damage.

Avatar of the veil is the raiders best line. and in general is decent as is.
6% dodge on quartz infusion. phasing on kill, limited duration, but spooky ghost effect. "you have phasing" when max frenzy does not give spooky ghost effect, thus is worthless.
avatar itself gives that 20% move speed while phasing, immunity to status, and 10% spell dodge. Very good.

But as we noted, pathfinder also can get status immune. 20% move speed during flask. and.. can use:
Quartz flasks give phasing, and 10% dodge/spell dodge. (phasing first and foremost makes you look like a spooky ghost, and also lets you ignore collision.) 12% with 20% pathfinder, 15%/15% with 50%.

Chase line is good, but not great.
onslaught on kill, again trivial with silver flasks. Additive attack damage... weak.
50% onslaught effect.. so 10% as/ms/cs. again.. a few passive nodes saved?
25% more melee evade, 15% more proj evade. This is VERY good... But, is just rng again. And does nothing vs spells, especially physical spells, which ranger without armor has no defense vs.

next question is stacking evasion. Raider gets 15% each minor passive.
60% ok. neat.
same deal as granite flask, but now JADE flask of reflexes, and stibnite.
3000 evasion+100% evasion rating.
+stibnite of evasion. 100% evasion+100% evasion.
Raider gets 3000 eva+300%
20% Pathfinder gets 3600+360%

Lets say you had 2000 eva on gear, +150% in tree.
Raider-5000+510% with flasks up.=30,750 eva.
Pathfinder-5600+510%=34,160 eva
(a pathfinder that goes up into witch gets a full 50% flask effect, not just 20)
Also note, a pathfinder has a much higher up time on flasks, due to duration and charge generation, conversely, there are only 5 slots. Its easy to pretend the pathfinder has all flasks at all times, when they do not. if you run stibnite, granite, and jade, thats 3 of your 5, on defense, and not even a life flask. silver, and quartz not being counted yet either..

Avatar of the slaughter is raiders worst line and a "noob" trap. it only exist for +1 frenzy, the rest is utter trash. and trickster gives +1 frenzy for 2 points.
way of the poacher 10% AS, a basic passive. even natures adrenaline is far better. the 15% chance for frenzy is totally unreliable, no one would make use of it in place of poachers/frenzy/bloodrage, etc for controlled charge generation. may as well not exist imho. (I want this to be 100% chance on hit gain frenzy charge. 3s cd, or 1 charge per attack)
+frenzy duration on the minors is also laughable.
avatar of the slaughter is +1 frenzy. that is great. but the additive ad and attack speed is terrible, because it just adding damage. Even with the max 11 frenzy charges its just 33% AD,AS, 22% move. while these may sound great.. they just ADD, making them little more then basic passives.

Vet bowyer's extra elem damage, and 10% elem penetration are FAR more damage. both multiply your damage. Same with master herbalist's poison. its extra damage, multiplying.

Slaughter needs to do something that is more then just +stats.


Raider in boot form... as if you needed more reason to skip raider.
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Voidwalker

(ps also drives me nuts there is no trap/minion/mine line for ranger. Why in the world is a witch the best mirror arrow character?)

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Hey Guys,

well I experimented a little bit and now I'm a little desperate because nothing works like it should.

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Casia wrote:

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Problemkind1903 wrote:

Hey Guys,

well I experimented a little bit and now I'm a little desperate because nothing works like it should.

My Plan:

Spoiler

- Go the defensive Skilltree (More Life, capped Res etc)
- Go Tornado Shot/Blast Rain with decent DMG (Def should be priorize here)
- Farm Mid-High Tier range Maps withour Problems

What happend?

Spoiler

I don't know, i have unbuffed
- 5k Life
- 9k Eva
- 40% Dodge Attacks
- 44% Dodge Spells
- overcapped Res ( 97%, 79%, 95%, -9%)
- 47% Movement Speed
what sounds nice in theory but in practice it's rly hard to handle single bosses. I'm Lvl 90 and was killed by an Lvl 7 Vagan o_O wtf?
And my character can't outregenerate my Blood Rage. I have to use Stone Golem.

My Skilltree:

Spoiler

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAQBeAO4FLQW1CC4IiQ2NES8VIBa_GY4hdiLiI9Mj9iT9JpUqCypNLOkuUzBxMHwx-jWSNj03TDfUOdQ6Qj7PPydDMUd-R-JKfUrIS3hM_02STipRR1VLVYVW-loaW69daF3yYeJirGVNbIxuqm8ncFJ07XXLdf129311fyt_gIRvhNmGs4bOh3aJ04w2jX2Nfo2Sjb-PYJAKlQWaaprxm42dqqCfpDmly7TFtUi18r02vea-p8EzwuzDM8edyqnNmNNv037UI9RC2L3awd0N3ajjn-dU6mLrY-0_7YPuDu969qP3Pf4K_rr_EP_e?accountName=Problemkind1903&characterName=Problemizoor

My Gear:

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That's the first time i have no idea where the problem is. Can some1 help me please? If u want a private message is okay, too.

Amusingly, you have exactly what I was talking about. dodge, dodge, dodge, evade. one shot.
with no physical DR(you have 3 end charges from enduring cry only), you only have to get hit once.

Vagan USED to occasionally run resolute Technique. (hits can not be evaded) 100% hit rate on rangers, he slaughtered them.
I bet physical spells give you hell as well. Daresso floating swords, bone queens in bowels, etc.


Run a basalt flask instead of that bleeding life flask.
And decoy instead of the stone golem, probably.
Decoy, ice golem, and blink arrow, should not even get hit 90% of the time, just from manually avoiding damage and targeting.

I also highly recommend primal spirit, druidic rite, (and arcane chemistry if you can get over by scion) for ALL rangers, and doubly so for Pathfinders.

Natures boon 1flask charge every 3s is effected by charges gained. and you do get fractions of charges.
with +50% from primalspirit/druidic right, and the 10% you have to get to natures boon. you will get 1 charge, 2 charges, 1 charge, 2 charges, and so on.
Charge on crit is also effected by charges gained in the same way.