PSA: AHs don't ruin games, Designers ruin games

I enjoy D3 a lot more now that there is no trading beyond the limited in-party exception. The fact that RMT has been vastly reduced - almost eliminated - is wonderful.

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Xavderion wrote:

As I said before, an AH would mean you would never be able to sell your mediocre gear, while top gear would become even more expensive. How is that good for the average player?

Who here is arguing that they can't sell mediocre gear? Yourself? Nearly everyone in this thread, and in other similar AH threads, is arguing that trading is a fucking chore. Finding people who are online to trade is a goddamn hassle. We want to spend less time trading -- not more time, like you're suggesting.

Also, the myth you're trying to propagate about people "never being able to sell mediocre gear" is a flat out lie. With an AH, people who are unable to stay online 24/7 can simply put their stuff up in an AH, and come back to accept offers while he/she was offline. At the moment, people who are offline for most of the week can't even sell anything in the 2-3 hours a week they get to play.

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Xavderion wrote:

No there aren't. AH means you bid for something and if your bid is the highest you automatically get the item. Or you buy the item for the buyout price and automatically get it.

Find me a definition where it says:

auction house = automation

That's right. You can't. Because auction house does not mean it's automated whatsoever. Which is why I said there are infinite ways to implement an AH. There are automated auction houses, and then there are non-automated auction houses. D3's was automated. Poe.xyz.is is not. But they both serve the same purpose of tracking bids and setting buyouts.

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Xavderion wrote:

I'm against an AH, it would simply accelerate inflation. What this means is that average joe (the one who already QQs about how trading sucks) will never be able to sell his mediocre items, while the good items would be even more expensive than now. I know you guys are lazy but an AH would kill the economy. Something like poe.xyz.is as an ingame feature implemented by GGG would be great. And no, poe.xyz is nothing like an AH.

The economy resets every 4 months. Even if it "kills" the economy it is thus reborn in 4 months.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Cryptophylaxis wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

With poe.xyz there's no automation. Which is good, because it makes trading much less efficient in comparison to an AH.

Less efficient = good? Are we playing the same game here? Because I despise the current trade system of forum posts, garbage on the notice boards and trade chat full of spambots that make your eyes bleed. POE.XYZ, a third party site, has made trade tolerable but just barely since it takes forever to sync up times with others for trading. Trading would be less important if a proper crafting system were in place but since GGG prefers gambling (and calls it crafting) trade is essential for gearing.

There is literally no positive effect on my life gained through a p2p trade experience. I would prefer to simply browse items for sale and click purchase to the three ring circus currently in place.

Yes, less efficient = good. People are already crying how trading is much more viable than farming, and now you want to substantially buff trading even further? I don't get it. As I said before, an AH would mean you would never be able to sell your mediocre gear, while top gear would become even more expensive. How is that good for the average player?

People are crying because they hate trading. If the trading became more tolerable they would perhaps not mind doing it.

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Xavderion wrote:

As I said before, an AH would mean you would never be able to sell your mediocre gear, while top gear would become even more expensive. How is that good for the average player?

Sure, they will be less likely to sell their formerly mediocre gear, but it will be cheaper for them to obtain formerly "good" gear, while it would be more expensive to obtain formerly "godly" gear.

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rrtson wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

As I said before, an AH would mean you would never be able to sell your mediocre gear, while top gear would become even more expensive. How is that good for the average player?

Who here is arguing that they can't sell mediocre gear? Yourself? Nearly everyone in this thread, and in other similar AH threads, is arguing that trading is a fucking chore. Finding people who are online to trade is a goddamn hassle. We want to spend less time trading -- not more time, like you're suggesting.

Also, the myth you're trying to propagate about people "never being able to sell mediocre gear" is a flat out lie. With an AH, people who are unable to stay online 24/7 can simply put their stuff up in an AH, and come back to accept offers while he/she was offline. At the moment, people who are offline for most of the week can't even sell anything in the 2-3 hours a week they get to play.

It's not a myth, just look at Standard league :) An AH would just accelerate this process.

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rrtson wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

No there aren't. AH means you bid for something and if your bid is the highest you automatically get the item. Or you buy the item for the buyout price and automatically get it.

Find me a definition where it says:

auction house = automation

That's right. You can't. Because auction house does not mean it's automated whatsoever. Which is why I said there are infinite ways to implement an AH. There are automated auction houses, and then there are non-automated auction houses. D3's was automated. Poe.xyz.is is not. But they both serve the same purpose of tracking bids and setting buyouts.

It's cute that you want to discuss semantics to prove your point, but no thanks. Just look at the auction houses implemented in various games (the games you mentioned before) and you'll see that I'm right. poe.xyz is not an auction house.

I've been reading D3 forums again since i've started playing PoE and i can't understand how some people like having less freedom of choice better than having more freedom of choice.

Yes, the real money auction house was a terrible idea, becouse it involved real money from the get-go which automatically put those with more money in to a more privileged position, but the kneejerk removal of trading as a whole has shown that Activision/Blizzard (notice the Activision part) don't have any "hand-on" expirience with their games and players anymore and handle their games with a virtual jackhammer.
As for the real money trading being eliminated by the removal of the auction house and BoA, it wasnt; now it simply switched from people selling items to people selling whole accounts like in WoW.

But the part which flabberghasted me the most was the increasing amount of Blizzard/D3 whiteknights on the D3 forums which latched on to the "RMT is sponsoring organised crime" preposition.
In almost every tread where players ask for a way to trade with their friends there's at least one person who writes stuff like "RMT is sponsoring organised crime, slave trade, child labour, drug trade and terorism. If you want trading back, you're basicly supporting all those things and the people behind it."
Everytime i see something like that, i honestly feel like reading one of Bush's "Who's not with us is basicly a terrorist" speeches; i also feel bad for people who think that russian/bosnian mafia cartels are setting up bots and farming D3 accounts to earn their money while there are much easier and faster ways to earn dirty money like drug trade for instance. While we're at Bush, the situation with the removal of trading was imho basically Diablo's Patriot act - give up a part of your freedom for increased safety against bad guys (RMtraders, spammers, botters etc.).

Anyway, even though i'm hoping and waiting for GGG to improve the trading system in PoE, i wouldn't want it removed or nerfed. I'm smart and confident enough to not buy stuff from shady 3rd party RMT websites but only for ingame currency (except graphic effects from GGG ofcourse) and i intend to stick to that. My 2 cents :)

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Xavderion wrote:

It's cute that you want to discuss semantics to prove your point, but no thanks. Just look at the auction houses implemented in various games (the games you mentioned before) and you'll see that I'm right. poe.xyz is not an auction house.

Nice dodge bro

Semantics is important when your entire argument is based on the definition of "auction house". Since it seems you've run out of rebuttals, I take it that you concede Poe.xyz.is is in fact an auction house, and that implementing one similar to that into PoE would greatly improve player experience.

AH does not a bad game make. Thanks for playing.