I understand now why multiboxing is "excepted"

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zekerferc wrote:

Unless you have some very good friends who all build their characters for teamplay and support eachother which I doubt.

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Ikagawa wrote:

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wxyjac wrote:

I have done multibox when playing d2 before, and it's exactly not what you describe. There's many way to multibox, normal window's different user account can multibox (though it takes a very long time to switch), and there are also legit programs out there that can multibox (some work/job requires you to multibox).

Multibox just means opening two clients of PoE while only one person is playing. There's no way it will automatically give you character movement, or even click. What you were describing, just like that silly picture above, is not multibox, but called botting.

Your ignorance despite claiming knowledge is astounding.

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wxyjac wrote:

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Ikagawa wrote:

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wxyjac wrote:

I have done multibox when playing d2 before, and it's exactly not what you describe. There's many way to multibox, normal window's different user account can multibox (though it takes a very long time to switch), and there are also legit programs out there that can multibox (some work/job requires you to multibox).

Multibox just means opening two clients of PoE while only one person is playing. There's no way it will automatically give you character movement, or even click. What you were describing, just like that silly picture above, is not multibox, but called botting.

Your ignorance despite claiming knowledge is astounding.

Really? I'm the ignorant one?

Here, let me do it for you...

definition link
Multiboxing is a term used mostly in MMORPGs to refer to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously. This can either be achieved by using multiple separate machines to run the game or by running multiple separate instances of the game.
Variations on the term are common. Often, the number of accounts used is reflected in the term used: dual-boxing or two-boxing for two characters, three-boxing for three etc.
Multiboxing may be as simple as running two instances of the game on one computer (each logged in to a separate account) and switching between them.[1] Players may also use multiple computers, each with their own keyboard and mouse. This quickly becomes impractical with an increasing number of computers, so a keyboard multiplexer may be used, which sends the signals from a single keyboard to several computers.

That's multibox, what people are generally confusing about being able to send keystroke to all client is actually a bot.


I don't know how google search of multibox will come up with a WoW video that shows multiple character following one char, but that IS NOT MULTIBOX, that's multiboxing while also using botting.

I guess if you just goggled multibox without knowing what it is at the beginning, you would have thought multibox means being able to control multiple characters at once, but that's actually called botting. Since it requires a specific program sending keystrokes and mouseclick to each separate client, exactly what a bot does.


In addition, as I have said before, there're work-related demands that require multibox. Sandboxie (a program, look it up) was one such program created to aid those people who needs to run two copies of the same program on a computer (making it easier than swtiching user account), along with other benefits such as being able to isolate your work from the computer, preventing possible damage.

Edit: and no, sandboxie doesn't let you duplicate your action, it just lets you open more than one instance of a program, bypassing the restriction that certain program has (which only allows you to open one program per user account).

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wxyjac wrote:

Really? I'm the ignorant one?

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Garr0t wrote:

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Chancellor wrote:

It is unethical. They are exploiting a game-mechanic for increased personal gain. The game mechanic is improved loot for groups. It is meant to reward people who play together. There is no developer intention to provide improved loot for an individual, otherwise they would just have loot be equal between solo and grouped content.

I agree with this observation. Additionally, right now there is quite a bit of debate over how much easier it is to level in a party than it is to try to build a character that can solo the content.

The simplest solution to all of this is to not modify the experience gain or quantity of loot in parties. This negates any advantage someone 'multi-boxing' would gain and it addresses the 'unfair' nature of partied experience versus solo experience. The experience earned would be the same total experience as a solo player and is divided among those that are within two screens of the kill. Loot drops are the same as those are in solo and are FFA.

'But then why would anyone want to party?'
For the social aspect.
For the speed of clearing areas.
I actually believe this would be sufficient reward for grouping.

Because the speed at which mobs can be cleared is so much faster than a solo player, it indirectly increases the loot/experience gain as a reward for partying.

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wxyjac wrote:

Really? I'm the ignorant one?

Without trying to sound as insulting as the last guy, yes, you are really misinformed about the matter.

Now, I'm not saying Path of Exile is WoW, EVE, or any other typical MMO out there, nor is GGG remotely close to Blizzard, CCP, etc..., but you should really read: Is Multiboxing with ISBoxer allowed? to understand what is wrong with what you are saying.

The key emphasis is (no pun intended), as long as you are passing through your keyboard/mouse events, and those events are not being modified in any way to do anything other than what they would do if you weren't using any software, you are not "automating" anything.

For example:

- Pressing '1' in a client and having a script that passes the input to all other open clients is ok. That's multiboxing.

- Pressing '1' in a client, and having a script execute that would cause clients to press '1', wait 5 seconds, and then press '2' is not ok. That's macroing, which can then be extended further into botting depending on the logic of the script.

- Pressing '1' in a client, and having a script execute to read memory or pixels to check to see if they should be pressing '1' is not ok. That's outright automation.

The difference is very subtle, and easy to misunderstand, but very important.

If you are simply relaying inputs as-is, and multiboxing is allowed in the game, that is perfectly fine.

As soon as you do anything but that while you are multiboxing, that is no longer fine, as you are no longer multiboxing.