Offer 1 alch + 1 scour: "Sorry, I prefer chaos"

We had this thread a couple of days ago... Chaos are worth more as a currency. The effect doesn't matter to most people, they use chaos to buy stuff and not to craft.

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gilrad wrote:

Thing is, it's not at all like trying to buy something in Euros with Yuan or other foreign currency, it's like buying a 1 dollar candy bar with four quarters, except bizarrely enough, they are actually 20 cent pieces that are worth 1 dollar if you have four of them together instead of 80 cents, they are more useful than a dollar bill, and for some reason the store you went to has convinced its self that paper money is the only acceptable currency despite the previous two points.

No, that example is not accurate.

You are trying to pay with chocolate bars that cost you 1 dollar, and expect the seller to accept cocolate bars instead of a dollar bill.

However, he has every right to say: "I'm not hungry and don't even like chocolate, gtfo of my shop or pay with money!"

You can't mash two chocolate bars and make a dollar by virtue of their implicit properties. An alch and scour, however, have the same effect as a chaos, and that's true regardless of their value or explicit properties.

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gilrad wrote:

Thing is, it's not at all like trying to buy something in Euros with Yuan or other foreign currency, it's like buying a 1 dollar candy bar with four quarters, except bizarrely enough, they are actually 20 cent pieces that are worth 1 dollar if you have four of them together instead of 80 cents, they are more useful than a dollar bill, and for some reason the store you went to has convinced its self that paper money is the only acceptable currency despite the previous two points.


For fucks sake, it's only difficult to trade because everybody says it's difficult to trade!

Sure you are correct there, but you can not just set rules for people how are they supposed to trade. This situation has evolved by the market itself and there are factors that caused this evolution. It is not the same as buying something with 4 quarters instead of 1 dollar, because you still use the same currency which has it's rates set in stone and unchangable. I don't feel like explaining it any further if you don't understand this already.

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gilrad wrote:

An alch and scour, however, have the same effect as a chaos, and that's true regardless of their value or explicit properties.

No, they don't.
They have the same effect used on items, but not as currency.
This may sound illogical or paradox to you, but there's actually nothing wrong with it.

I can't walk to a supermarket and pay with gold or diamonds, I have to use Dollars.
I can find someone who trades me the gold into Dollars, however. Then I have Dollars, then I can buy other stuff.

You are expecting a 100% functioning barter economy in PoE with accurate exchange rates for everything.

But even if "Alts:Chaos 20:1" was set in stone, this would not be equivalent to "Cents:Dollar 100:1", more to "Euro:Dollar x:y".

Not this shit again :(

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gilrad wrote:

What's the deal with people listing chaos buyouts on items and refusing to accept alch+scours?

Its because people need chaos for trading, not for crafting. Other people want chaos, not scour + alc. Accepting your scour+alc is an inconvenience.

If people list chaos, they want chaos. Surely, you dont expect them to take whatever currency you want to offer? You're asking them to do your work, as in they'll have to trade later that lower currency into chaos they want/need. If the store says 50 euro price, dont get mad when they dont accept you paying in hungarian forints.

If you want to offer lower currency, then be fair to seller and pay something extra. I do that even when I'm the buyer, believe it or not, if I offer lower currency I'll offer a little extra to compensate them for the inconvenience.

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morbo wrote:

Its because people need chaos for trading, not for crafting. Other people want chaos, not scour + alc. Accepting your scour+alc is an inconvenience.

This is exactly the whole point of this thread -.-' if those other people you mention would accept alch+scour, why would you need to trade it for chaos so that you can trade other people, this isnt a problem with just 1 person not accepting alch+scour.

in the end the value of orbs goes down to what they do crafting wise, not some random bullshit about its value as currency. only downsides of alch + scour is that it takes what 0,5 seconds longer to apply on item and that it takes whoopin 33% more space in your stash so you can store only 108x10 chaos worth of alch+scour on 1 stashtab instead of 144x10

edit: I guess soon people will start to think 4 jewelers aren't worth as much as 1 fusing because its greater trade value -.-'

It would be interesting to hear an explanation of, say, the value of a US dollar from some people in this thread.

Try rolling an item 500 times with chaos, then try doing the same with 500 alch+scouring. notice the difference.

Time has value, your just not thinking on a large enough scale OP.