If you buy the $5 pack?

Just going to throw this out here. Ignoring the claims and counter-claims about the reasons for it.

If it is an attempt to make money, in the form of "Ooh. uneven points, well, better buy another pack." ... so what?

They're game developers, who made a game, and are a company. And to our shock and horror, are trying to... make money.

How dare they make money from... something they made...

Got to admit. This is looking pretty flimsy. If it's a money-grubbing scheme, then it just means they've got some financial sense, which I'll have to stand by as being a damn good thing.

I'd rather pay 5$ for 46 points... than 5$ for 50, in a game that will eventually crash due to poor financial decisions. I'm honestly worried that they'll over-purchase servers, and end up suffering because of it.

Too much server capacity is -not- a good thing.



TL;DR : If it -is- a money-grubbing scheme... Good?
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Elynole wrote:
Because that's the same as giving less points. Whether you charge more, or give less ratio wise it's still around the same.

People would still complain about it either way. Even if they gave people 10 points for 1 dollar they'd still find something to complain about. 40 cents worth of points is enough for people to complain about now.


Wow, really?

Take like 10 seconds and 40 brain cells and think about it.

What is a customer going to hate more?

Wanting to buy 1 frog, for $5 plus a transaction fee of roughly 50 cents to a dollar?

or

Wanting to buy 1 frog, but due to a pricing scheme having to buy a $10 package?

It isn't a hard realization to come to...

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Yup, obviously only about the money. They're so much about the money that they will never charge for expansions, the game, stat boosts, gear, etc. Their only purpose in life is to piss you off so that you don't buy from them and whine and call them liars on the forums.


That has 0 relevance to anything that guy had to say. Of fucking course they want money, if the creation of this game was totally altruistic there'd be no need to have an in game store. The problem at hand is how they are handling the pricing of certain items in said store.

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Congratulations on how ridiculous your post just sounded.


I could really say the same of yours at this point...

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-SadistSquirrel wrote:
How dare they make money from... something they made...


Well this is the problem, if they want my money they have to fix this conundrum. I don't like feeling as if I need to pay more to get my money's worth of items, the way it is structured now pretty much forces me to spend $20 and no less. It shouldn't matter how much of my money I am willing to spend, if these guys want it they need to make me feel accommodated....
Last edited by NastyPants#4999 on Jan 29, 2013, 4:27:42 PM
i dont think the pricing system is a cash grab- just a misguided attempt by GGG to entice people to buy more.

I understand what they want to do, and dont fault them for trying to make money (it is after all in MY best interest 'cause i love the game)- but i think the way they are doing it may backfire somewhat. It may cause people who dont know GGG, to see them as swindlers and turn them off of spending ANY money at all.

5$ and 10$ purchases open way to people spending more money. If they are turned off from the entry packages, they may never give the cash shop a second thought.


This is all speculation on my part though, time will tell if people reall are as put off by the pricing system as i suspect.
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SadistSquirrel wrote:
Just going to throw this out here. Ignoring the claims and counter-claims about the reasons for it.

If it is an attempt to make money, in the form of "Ooh. uneven points, well, better buy another pack." ... so what?

They're game developers, who made a game, and are a company. And to our shock and horror, are trying to... make money.

How dare they make money from... something they made...

Got to admit. This is looking pretty flimsy. If it's a money-grubbing scheme, then it just means they've got some financial sense, which I'll have to stand by as being a damn good thing.

I'd rather pay 5$ for 46 points... than 5$ for 50, in a game that will eventually crash due to poor financial decisions. I'm honestly worried that they'll over-purchase servers, and end up suffering because of it.

Too much server capacity is -not- a good thing.



TL;DR : If it -is- a money-grubbing scheme... Good?


I dont think anyone is against them making money at all. In fact, some would rather pay MORE for even numbers than pay less.

Its really just an OCD thing.

people would probably feel more comfortable paying 65pts for 1 pet, than having to buy a 10$ 96pt pack just to make up 4pts.

Its a human psychology thing.
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Elynole wrote:
Because that's the same as giving less points. Whether you charge more, or give less ratio wise it's still around the same.

People would still complain about it either way. Even if they gave people 10 points for 1 dollar they'd still find something to complain about. 40 cents worth of points is enough for people to complain about now.


Wow, really?

Take like 10 seconds and 40 brain cells and think about it.

What is a customer going to hate more?

Wanting to buy 1 frog, for $5 plus a transaction fee of roughly 50 cents to a dollar?

or

Wanting to buy 1 frog, but due to a pricing scheme having to buy a $10 package?

It isn't a hard realization to come to...

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Yup, obviously only about the money. They're so much about the money that they will never charge for expansions, the game, stat boosts, gear, etc. Their only purpose in life is to piss you off so that you don't buy from them and whine and call them liars on the forums.


That has 0 relevance to anything that guy had to say. Of fucking course they want money, if the creation of this game was totally altruistic there'd be no need to have an in game store. The problem at hand is how they are handling the pricing of certain items in said store.

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Congratulations on how ridiculous your post just sounded.


I could really say the same of yours at this point...

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-SadistSquirrel wrote:
How dare they make money from... something they made...


Well this is the problem, if they want my money they have to fix this conundrum. I don't like feeling as if I need to pay more to get my money's worth of items, the way it is structured now pretty much forces me to spend $20 and no less. It shouldn't matter how much of my money I am willing to spend, if these guys want it they need to make me feel accommodated....


Actually Ely hit it right on. I kind of laugh because most (not all) of the complaints about the cash shop are just to funny. It really does show some people will just never be happy and complain about anything. They could make it all 1 point per item and 5 bucks gets you everything and some of you will still complain about it.

The game is a business, walk into any business and they will give you a deal when you spend/buy more. I just don't get why some of you treat it like this big evil cash grab lol. This game is awesome and they could easily find more things to charge us for and still have a large number of us spend money for it. But they are awesome and have made a awesome fair free game.
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I'd just like to reinforce that the best solution is to simply charge that little bit extra to make the minimum pack 50 points. $5.15 for 50 points is far more sensible that $5 for 46 points. Sure the price isn't round but if "where are you from threads" are to be believed the majority of players are not from the US anyway and so exchange rates throw it off the round number.

In this sense the argument of transaction fees falls flat on its face and it is purely a slightly shady business tactic. I'd have far less of a problem with it if this practice weren't being legitimised by tagging on the suggestion that it's all down to transaction fees - it's simply daft to pretend you can't find a solution to that problem.

Custom point purchases or fractionally increased costs on the pack to make them multiples of 10 solve the problem completely. If GGG want to stagger prices this way to push people into higher packs then that's cool with me, the guise of "it's all transaction fees" is paper thin.
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NastyPants wrote:


Wow, really?

Take like 10 seconds and 40 brain cells and think about it.

What is a customer going to hate more?



I decided to use 41 brain cells instead and found that complaining about how a cash shop is run in a F2P game where no one is holding a gun to your head to buy is kind of like trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. It's stupid.
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Elynole wrote:
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NastyPants wrote:


Wow, really?

Take like 10 seconds and 40 brain cells and think about it.

What is a customer going to hate more?



I decided to use 41 brain cells instead and found that complaining about how a cash shop is run in a F2P game where no one is holding a gun to your head to buy is kind of like trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. It's stupid.

Just because you're not forced to buy micros that doesn't justify having a down right daft pricing system.

Adjust cost around transaction fees and be done with it or admit that providing "worthless" points in lower cost bundles is just to push people to $20. Trying to straddle a middle ground is just asking for entirely justifiable outcry.
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Piggy wrote:


Just because you're not forced to buy micros that doesn't justify having a down right daft pricing system.

Adjust cost around transaction fees and be done with it or admit that providing "worthless" points in lower cost bundles is just to push people to $20. Trying to straddle a middle ground is just asking for entirely justifiable outcry.


So they change it to 5.15 like you say then. Now what? The same people would be bitching that they were having to pay an uneven dollar amount for points.

It doesn't matter how you do it, people will cry. If the shop packages really bother someone that much then just don't buy. If you're so OCD that the number 46 means so much more to you than the number 50, then I suggest seeking medical council - as that level of OCD isn't good to lead a productive life.
Last edited by Elynole#2906 on Jan 29, 2013, 4:46:51 PM
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Elynole wrote:
So they change it to 5.15 like you say then. Now what? The same people would be bitching that they were having to pay an uneven dollar amount for points.


The problem isn't bitching, the problem is what is fair to the customer. This was never about making people bitch less but treating everyone fairly when it comes to spending money on this game. The system you just described would certailny go a mile in making some people more inclined to buy (Me for example!).

Will it please everyone? Of fucking course not, but at least the customer isn't being shafted as they are now over a single frog pet...
Last edited by NastyPants#4999 on Jan 29, 2013, 4:50:03 PM

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