While RMT/Botting is the trend, lets share our magical solution and vote on them

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Nephalim wrote:

standard (and a decent chunk of poe) is dead. even the rmt lords are selling out.

My question is who do they expect us to trade with when everyone is gone because the game is skewed against the individual for the purpose of making sure to maintain scarcity for bots and such? Especially once all the botters abandon this game because it is no longer profitable to bot it. Who would we get our exalts and eternals and mirrors from then?

My point being, the population is dwindling fast. Soon all the traders will realize they are the only ones left and that they are just passing items back and forth trying to eek out every last little orb they can from an item and they will leave too because there will be no noobs to rip off, no normal players slaying monsters and finding the loot that they so love to flip.

How is this "economy" supposed to work for the few remaining players at this point? Its already hard enough to find the item you need with the current population.

SFL gogo

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thedestroyerofkids wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Oh, but I digress.

My solution for botting and RMT is simple: destroy the game.

Where there is disagreement within the community, escalate it. Sow discord between players with separatist movements and derisive labels. Challenge the authority of moderation by affirming your "rights" to certain forms of behavior. Do not discuss; riot. The increasing toxicity will drive away players both new and old.

Browbeat GGG into enacting foolish, short-sighted mechanics changes which destroy the game's longevity. Flood the market with easy-to-acquire items, inflating supply to the point where everything is worthless and nothing feels valuable; thus, no loot feels special anymore. Blur the line between good play and bad play by ensuring that even bad players survive. Further reduce the Standard death penalty.

And as you watch everyone leave, and the market for in-game items eventually dwindles to zero, then you will know that RMT and botting have finally been defeated, once and for all, and you can stand victorious over the scorched earth your actions have created.

Scorched Earth policy IS an extremely effective policy when combating an enemy force. There is no denying this. Hell, i might actually enjoy the game and come back if that were to happen. I would finally be able to craft and loot my own GG items. That would be some pure unadulterated fun thats for sure.

As for the effects it would have on longevity, I personally dont give a rats ass if all the traders leave because their source of income generation was gutted and made obsolete by having actually good drop rates and crafting odds, I would still be farming up orbs and good loot, always thinking of new builds to try and constantly needing more stash tabs and Emerald and Crimson weapon effects.

I wonder if Jonathan Swift ever had this problem.

What problem exactly Scrotie? I genuinely dont understand that statement. Ideally trade would be restricted to item for item trades and legal dupes removed. This would have the effect of all but completely eliminating flipping and price fixing because there would be no way to guarantee that an item you just got on speculation would even be accepted by the person who has the item you really need. What this means is that even to partake in trading you would still be subjected to the exact same amount of RNG as someone playing self found.

The this could truly be a hardcore game for hardcore players with an emphasis on a BARTER economy.

Where is the problem? Trade is still there, trade is still viable, the only thing removed would be the ability to flip your way to the top or RMT your way to the top. The only people I see this harming are those players who have no intention on ever using their orbs and instead have been hoarding them for shopping in order to remove the RNG.

I bet a part of an overall effective solution would have to include limited legalization of RMT similar to the US allowing pot to be sold in a few trial states like Colorado. I wonder what that might look like in PoE. Maybe GGG would allow you to buy some kind of e coin from their shop and you could use this to pay someone for currency orbs for example and then that person could use those coins to buy microtransaction effects or something like that. Might be kind of interesting.

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

I bet a part of an overall effective solution would have to include limited legalization of RMT similar to the US allowing pot to be sold in a few trial states like Colorado. I wonder what that might look like in PoE. Maybe GGG would allow you to buy some kind of e coin from their shop and you could use this to pay someone for currency orbs for example and then that person could use those coins to buy microtransaction effects or something like that. Might be kind of interesting.

This wouldnt help anything because RMT users dont necessarily care about MTX effects but they do care about ladder positions, wealth, BiS gear. None of which can be acquired by getting some MTX effects.

While it might be easy to criticize the reality is there will always be cheaters. A realistic solution has to account for this fact somehow.

Edit: The point would be to attempt to placate the small time offenders or the occasional offender. This could prevent the smaller cheater from becoming a larger one. There will always be more small time offenders than larger ones and those are arguably the more difficult ones to prevent as to them a smaller offense is 'less serious'.

In the world destroyerofkids sees - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

But destroyer, you're forgetting one crucial thing: as smart as Tyler Durden imagines himself to be, at the end of the day he doesn't know Jack.

Also, for the satire-illiterate, what I'm trying to say is:

A great many anti-RMT proposals are, in fact, anti-PoE proposals. Kind of like the concept of chemotherapy, but often less thought out, the idea is to harm the game directly, in order to get back at RMT. Such proposals, if taken to their logic limit, would indeed be effective; destroy PoE, and you destroy PoE RMT. However, the victory is Pyrrhic, which is to say: no victory whatsoever.

A select few may still see this as a good thing. "Any entity game corrupted by RMT," say these sorts, "is beyond salvation, and must be allowed to die." There is some allure to the idea of purging corruption in such a way, but only when one adopts a cyclical view of history, believing that the world is some kind of perpetual-motion machine where, like filling a vacuum, a new beginning will automatically and inevitably fill the void. But quit lying to yourself — you don't have that kind of patience. If PoE dies, you won't be waiting around the ashes waiting for a miraculous reincarnation — you will move on. As will everyone else. And what little you had will be gone forever.

What is with evrey 1 thinking RMT is out of control in POE ?

I almost never run into RMT characters or RMT buyers.


What kind of person who plays a "hardcore" loot grinder game buys curency ???? what would be the point ?? Eepecialy a game like this whare your build / skill matters way more than gear till well past the end of the game ? ? ? ? ?


I think this whole thing is a fucking mith created by a few people who have hurt felling over guys who have eternal stacks.