Is POE doing enough to counter the D3 ROS hype?

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Finkenstein wrote:

Hi

1.D3 ROS hype?WHERE?!?!

2. SFL 2cents: Darthski44 I agree with your sentiments concerning the implementation of such a league but I was advocating for this in the end of CB and throughout OB to no avail, I too realized quite early the lack of balance: that trade isn't fun and crafting is gambling and the orb drops not reliable enough to even attempt GGG version of ''crafting''; this has changed somewhat since then, but after bumping and discussing this for a long time concluded with others that a SFL is merely a diversion from fixing the real issues, its like waiting in a long line and budging ahead for your piece first. Still I firmly think that temp leagues are a great way of sorting certain issues better, hence will always be more in advocation for a temporary 4 month SFL that after its conclusion and integration to the whole of standard results in new and better recipes that would involve using rare items and orbs to create specialized orbs(orbs that would roll certain mods) allowing actual crafting. I feel that each temp league can allow GGG to focus on core issues, and a definite core issue is drops/crafting, it hides in plain sight. Fixing this so there is a better balance between solo and group players because for now it seems GGG balances off of group play rather then solo players. I been playing solo since CB and have noted huge changes in drops and I am very curious to see what they will do next, if you don't share these sentiments since joining CB also, perhaps enter into a private dialogue with like minded players or message GGG support they like reading suggestions.
Cheers

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DarthSki44 wrote:

What I don't understand is how they can watch grouping streams, and even Neon playing, with absolute mapping faceroll. Half the time players are not even paying attention. Is this their vision on how the PoE experience should be? I hope not. I don't know how Chris or any of the main developers can watch gameplay videos and say, "Yeah, that is what we hoped for when developing"

The game has sooo much promise. It seems as though pride and ego are getting in the way. Again just my opinion, but perhaps GGG's head has swollen up slightly.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

What I don't understand is how they can watch grouping streams, and even Neon playing, with absolute mapping faceroll. Half the time players are not even paying attention. Is this their vision on how the PoE experience should be? I hope not. I don't know how Chris or any of the main developers can watch gameplay videos and say, "Yeah, that is what we hoped for when developing"

The game has sooo much promise. It seems as though pride and ego are getting in the way. Again just my opinion, but perhaps GGG's head has swollen up slightly.

Well, none of it really makes much sense, you kinda have to look at it and certain things appear.
What I can glean from it..

They want to target a certain audience, they want that audience to feel like they are hardcore gamers. The audience they target want more than anything to be OP ASAP.

If they were to allow (yes, allow, there are purposely designed gates to disallow) solo self found end game progression, this would take the light off of the target audience, the pretentious, the fast track, the instant gratification, the group faceroll, the players who play games like themselves. These wouldn't look so hardcore now, would they?

The model GGG have, lets casual players feel hardcore while disallowing real hardcore gameplay from succeeding.

I mean, Joeshopper can feel all hardcore and superior when there are less successful players. It matters not that the less successful players are only such because they don't take the longevity destroying, challenge destroying, enjoyment removing short cuts.

If GGG were to balance the game so solo self found was not craft, content, challenge and progression gated, then Joeshopper would look exactly how he is, not top of the heap, not the hardcore gamer that he is portrayed as, but a path of least resistance instant gratification gamer.

Look at the many responses to people giving feedback on how self found and/or solo progression is ridiculously inferior to group/trade. You inevitably get a ton of posts by people who never have had a char in the rankings of any league, who's post history is a mass of flipping, who get carried, rushed and partied through content. Who are the epitome of an instant gratification casual gamer; quick to throw insults to the feedback OP, insults which would better suit them, really.

This is by design.
Pretend hardcore game, GGG want to preserve the hardcore feeling, they need to stem the true hardcore gamers' progress to preserve the pretence and keep the feeling among the masses.

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Xavderion wrote:

TL;DR: GGG should balance the game around solo play. And solo play is real hardcore while everything else isn't.

Cool story bro.

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Xavderion wrote:

TL;DR: GGG should balance the game around solo play. And solo play is real hardcore while everything else isn't.

Cool story bro.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

What I don't understand is how they can watch grouping streams, and even Neon playing, with absolute mapping faceroll. Half the time players are not even paying attention. Is this their vision on how the PoE experience should be? I hope not. I don't know how Chris or any of the main developers can watch gameplay videos and say, "Yeah, that is what we hoped for when developing"

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Isbox1 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

TL;DR: GGG should balance the game around solo play. And solo play is real hardcore while everything else isn't.

Cool story bro.

Xav Xav Xav


Should there not be options for players? Why should grouping or trading be far far far superior gameplay? (Like leaps and bounds superior.)




Oh right - because having options fracture the playerbase.

Spoiler

Yeah: into those that play the game and those who don't.

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Xavderion wrote:

It's impossible to balance the game around solo play without making it substantially easier by increasing drop rates and reducing RNG. Even if you do it in a seperate league, people would only play that league because people love to take the path of least resistance. Why would anyone try to make and maintain a group and educate himself about the market when he could achieve the same results with simply solo farming the game? And why would the later be more hardcore than the former (question to TheAnuhart)?