Is POE doing enough to counter the D3 ROS hype?

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sammuelsedai wrote:

ROLFMAO!!!!!!

Shameless plagiarism of this thread on the D3 forums:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11837763710

Seems like 3 out of 5 posters on that thread played PoE for 15 minutes and claimed it "Sh**". I am not surprised though, I've seen many trolls in my lifetime of being on the web.

The other thing is that I've noticed here the maturity of the posts are leaps and bounds over anything they serve up there.

Go figure right? Seems as though they have this 'call of duty' mindset over there and can't seem to just call a spade a spade.


* mind you, I was a D3 player before I came here. Actually went back and forth a bit for a while. So i'm used to their drivel and how they'd rather knock anything that doesn't have the title "Diablo" than just embracing that the genre is getting better.

"We deleted aps as an affix, because we did not want an affix that does the same as another affix, but you had to do math to see which one is better"

“Along the same line, we don’t want people to have the feeling to be forced to do math to know what affix is good for them. If you like using this skill we want you to use the affix that enhances that skill. We don’t want you to automatically know whether this is an actual upgrade for you, when you lose dps but get that skill dmg for it. You should chose it because you like it. I am sure, that it is possible to have a real answer to whether it is better or not, but we dont want you to waste your time on it.”

“We feel we are in a good place. My Barb is going to feel different than another barb. I will have different items, that other barb cannot find the same items that I have found. Paragon is not meant to customize your character, legendary items are. Paragon is there so that, even when you do not find an upgrade, you will have that feeling of getting more powerful for the time you have spent in the game. ”

Oh my God, how can you play this s**t if you like arpgs?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

I'm really puzzled, here, Grepman!!

Achievements Showing Ghom, SB, Cydaea and Azmo

AH transactions from my starting playing

You will notice nothing before those kill dates other than a few BS pages that didn't drop in Hell and a plan to attempt a craft of a sword. I didn't start playing at launch, 15th, probably like 20th or 21st.

You might be interested in Schnutti's interview here he mentions me.

thats great. I actually didnt doubt you being 100% self-found or solo.
what I doubted is your ability to farm act 3 as a melee character. like you said, you died a lot. thats great that you were able to beat the bosses (although not sure how you were able to beat enrage timers, but whatevs) but you could always zerg to them through your own corpses. Im not a HC guy myself, but at least its a bit more fair in HC that you cant quite do that.

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Why do you mention <60 gear in Act 3?
No, I entered Act 1 with a max of ilvl 60, I entered Act 2 with a max of ilvl 61, I entered Act 3 with a max of ilvl 62. What is so difficult to understand about that? It was the max ilvl gear I could have without buying, pre nerfs.

right, so I asked you what was your best weapon and your dps (roughly) pre-nerf. because I couldnt find a weapon that would drop that was any good.
I played d3 for a year and didnt find a single great (1m+) weapon drop. and in d3 if you dont have a good weapon, you dont have shit.
quite different in poe for me

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As for 'there is no difference between farming act 1 for items in d3 and farming for currency/items/maps in poe'. There is, there absolutely is. I'm farming the tier of content imediately below the tier that would kick my ass, in D3. In PoE, I'm farming content several tiers below.

You are farming content way below the challenge level you are trying to unlock, what's more, you not only outgear the content you are farming, but outgear the content you are trying to unlock, usually before seeing it.

I disagree. once you pass a certain wall of gear check in d3, everything is meh easy. there are map mods+monster combinations on lvl 69 map that can kill my 90+ character in poe.

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You are not getting it. Self found, you don't even get enough alchs to alch and maintain any lvl maps. Honestly, using alch recipe to the full, vending regrets at Clarisa, vending every drop and even alt/auging every 66-69 map to give max alch shards from vendor, you still won't even have enough to alch your 70 + map drops. So the 'challenging rolled lvl 70 map' thing doesn't hold, it still has you farming faceroll content, not to mention chaos and chisels you dare to use on higher maps.

maybe so alcs are harder to get, sure. but you have no problem farming crap for hours, so why not pick up blues and id them for alc shards ? thats what I did when I was poor (still kinda am, I dont fuck with MF much, not my thing). whats an extra hour to you ?

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This is why I proposed map drops were tuned so while capable of running 77/78s, you would most likely drop down to 74s as a minimum. That all bosses, say 74 and above, drop 1 alch, 1 chaos and 1 chisel and the map itself would add to that a little. Reason to do bosses, not so faceroll, better challenge and progress while still not chaining 77/78s, in fact you'd expect to fall back to 74s solo self found. Farming 74/75s for higher maps, chaos and chisels to progress the 76/77/78s that you'd chisel and chaos. Chaining 77/78s via trade and group is and always has been possible. The extra alchs, chaos and chisels would be a drop in the ocean to that. And, if you should get some RNG that meant for a small time period you actually got more alchs and chaos than required? Hell, lets throw some on some white bases, crafting, yey!!

poe economy is based on partying and trading, just like d3 was based on AH.
so...while that would give you your quality of life improvement, it would make people who trade and party have multiple lvl 100 characters.

again, all you want is guaranteed map drops for guaranteed. and I view poe like poker.
you can rise from $10 to playing with some of the best poker players in the world, and can be better than them in skill. and yet with few downswings your bankroll might take huge hits, without backing from other players/sponsors. then, no matter how good your skill is, you wont be playing with pros if you cant get a buy in...guess what you do ? you fall back to lower stakes and play inferior skill players and even maybe terrible noob skill players till you can get back up. you can get as mad as you want but without a respective buy-in you wont be playing high stakes, end of story.

this is a real world model right there millions of poker players (myself included) have grown to accept.

I have a strong reason to go back playing D3 sometimes: I'm still waiting to attain my bugged achievements since day 1 troubles, it has become a personal matter.
Don't laugh at this, I'm frigging dead serious :|

Well I guess I'll still play both games, I'm just a great ARPG fan, I play at least once all of them, even the shitty ones.

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Beregondz wrote:

I have a strong reason to go back playing D3 sometimes: I'm still waiting to attain my bugged achievements since day 1 troubles, it has become a personal matter.
Don't laugh at this, I'm frigging dead serious :|

Well I guess I'll still play both games, I'm just a great ARPG fan, I play at least once all of them, even the shitty ones.

theres nothing to laugh about. d3 (and poe as well) is flawed, but people are too caught up in binary world. either the game is great or its crap to them, which is ridiculous. my motto is play what you want to play :)

if d3 grinds your gears, than be it. I had some fun times in D3 despite its problems, and Ive had fun times in nearly every ARPG Ive played in last 10 years

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grepman wrote:

maybe so alcs are harder to get, sure. but you have no problem farming crap for hours, so why not pick up blues and id them for alc shards ? thats what I did when I was poor (still kinda am, I dont fuck with MF much, not my thing). whats an extra hour to you ?

I'll just respond to this, Grepman, everything else is just going over what's already been said.

To clarify.

Let's take a 100+/300+ MF character.
Let's give him an unlimited amount of chaos orbs and chisels.
Let's give him an unlimited amount of lvl 70 maps to run.
Let's give him 5 alchs to start.

Utilising scraps and stones and min-maxing the alch recipe.
Using all 6 portals to bring out every unique and rare, and; Having knowledge of every mod that gives alch shards and IDing every blue and bringing the ones that give alch shards out.
Exchanging every regret at the vendor for an alch.
Exchanging every 2 scours for a regret, then an alch.
Exchanging 8 chances for 2 scours, a regret, then an alch, or simply using chances and running the rare 1 in 5.
Doing chance recipe with uniques that won't give/many alch shards, to add to chances for the above.
Using Trans-Alt-Aug on every <70 map that drops, to roll Hordes/Comms for 6 shards + 0, 1 or 2 for 6, 7 or 8 shards per <70 map.
And, of course, picking up every alch drop.

The person will still, ultimately run out of alchs.
Believe me, I've tested and min-maxed this shit. I've tried every way under the sun to see if, self found solo, one can sustain maps without grinding non-map/low blue maps, and the alch bottleneck was extremely obvious. Of course beyond that, there is the chaos and chisel bottlenecks. But the alch one is the first.

There's probably around 2500 hours of stream from September to February where you will see me doing this quite often and extensively. With varying permutations of content, MF and methods.

http://www.twitch.tv/theanuhart

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mad4thrash wrote:

"We deleted aps as an affix, because we did not want an affix that does the same as another affix, but you had to do math to see which one is better"

“Along the same line, we don’t want people to have the feeling to be forced to do math to know what affix is good for them. If you like using this skill we want you to use the affix that enhances that skill. We don’t want you to automatically know whether this is an actual upgrade for you, when you lose dps but get that skill dmg for it. You should chose it because you like it. I am sure, that it is possible to have a real answer to whether it is better or not, but we dont want you to waste your time on it.”

“We feel we are in a good place. My Barb is going to feel different than another barb. I will have different items, that other barb cannot find the same items that I have found. Paragon is not meant to customize your character, legendary items are. Paragon is there so that, even when you do not find an upgrade, you will have that feeling of getting more powerful for the time you have spent in the game. ”

Oh my God, how can you play this s**t if you like arpgs?

Where did you find that?

I am so glad that PoE exists. ;_;

Devs' statement 4-5 days ago, us forum, general discussion, it's a 12 pages thread