Legacy items

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Real_Wolf wrote:

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deteego wrote:

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linkstatic wrote:

I fail to see how someone having a legacy item affects you in any way. There's no PvP worth doing, and it's on Standard. You die in Standard you just try again.

Well PvP is an interesting point in itself (like why should GGG even bother with PvP when things like this exist)

However ignoring pvp, legacy items (at least the OP ones) do indirectly harm other players because they cause inflation in the economy. OP items cause you to farm much faster than you should, which inflates the economy

This wouldn't be an issue if PoE wasn't so economy centric, but thats the way it is

Thats kind of a fallacy.

It might effect some people, but it doesn't effect the majority of players.

Take me, I don't trade very often.

When I trade I am not buying BiS items, but rather 'good->godly' items.

This means that because of their availability, these items are ridiculously cheap. I can buy a ring that would go for about 10 chaos for 2 in std, because these rings aren't as rare, there are a ton more on the market.

So how is that inflation? Sure, you can't SELL things as efficiently in standard, but its a buyers market for sure when there is so many people farming and trying to sell. And it has always been a buyers market in the new leagues aswell, as if no one wants your item its not going to sell.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

I do not care about having a new economy.

Then I fail to see what your complaint regarding Standard is.

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Uvne wrote:

No, defensive items are always going to be more problematic than offensive items. Carl explained why this is so in a recent Diamond newsletter. Offensive or defensive excess are both worthy of adjustments in order to strengthen the impact of player choices.

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Nephalim wrote:

youre telling me an immortal aegis tank with essentially zero dps contribution is going to be more problematic than one of these...

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Offence for Defence With Hardcore leagues in PoE, an item that trades offence for defence is a very dangerous one to introduce - We try to keep these away from end game, or have the defensive bonus be one that doesn’t compound with other defensive bonuses. Blood Reaper is one of the few examples of this design type in the game.

Utility for Defence or Offence These are hard to do right, and again we see very few of them in the game. The most notable example is Kaom’s Heart; Giving up the possibility of your biggest source of linked gems doesn’t necessarily reduce the damage of the character, but it reduces their flexibility and perhaps even the enjoyment the player may have. Not all characters are negatively impacted giving this up, but we still have to be careful with these.

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Rhys wrote:

"Legacy" items are a natural consequence of our implementation of the mod system. When a mod is rolled, the result is stored in the item. The maximum and minimum values are never used except for the initial roll and any subsequent rerolls (Blessed Orb, Divine Orb, etc).

This means that if we change the max/min values for a mod, e.g. the +life mod on Kaom's Heart, this does not directly effect any existing items, only new ones that drop or old ones that are rerolled. Another way to create legacy items (at least for Uniques) is if we add or remove entire mods from the item.

This also means that we do not have legacy items of skill gems or currency, because they do not have mods. We do not have legacy passive skill trees because we do not support multiple trees.

So legacy items only happen when we make numerical changes to min/max values of mods, or if we add/remove entire mods from a unique. We do not create legacy items when we change what mods do (this is fairly rare, though).

If we really wanted, we could painstakingly go through every item on the realm and perform an "item migration" to update legacy items to their modern equivalents. However, this is something of a last resort; it has several downsides:
-it requires substantial downtime of the entire realm for an unknown-but-lengthy period of time.
-it requires manually looking at every individual item we wanted to update and writing a custom upgrade script for each one.
-any mistakes or reversals of balance affect the entire realm's items, rather than a handful of new items dropped between patches.
-pissing off often long-time players by (potentially) destroying significant wealth right out of their stash.
-we'd have to do it all again every time we made changes that would result in a legacy item.

I'm not saying legacy items are all sunshine and rainbows, but they are at worst a necessary evil.

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DarkTl wrote:

I wonder if there is a way for the game to determine if the item is legacy or not. I think pvp on standard will be dead if legacy items will be freely allowed there.