The reason for the low level of active players in Path of Exile

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Cribstaxx wrote:

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Cronk wrote:

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Cribstaxx wrote:

I am merely saying that if your goal is to be in the top .1% gear wise then you're chances at having fun in the game are also about .1% b/c you will never be satisfied with what you have.

Exactly, thanks for confirming that striving for a sense of character completion is destined towards a non-fun destination.

That's like saying you can't find any enjoyment playing basketball because you can't beat Micheal Jordan in a 1 on 1. Why do you either have to have the absolute best of everything or can't have fun?

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Cribstaxx wrote:

I am merely saying that if your goal is to be in the top .1% gear wise then you're chances at having fun in the game are also about .1% b/c you will never be satisfied with what you have.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Why does everyone think that a game has to be popular to be fun? So this game doesn't float your boat. Move on to one that does.

Ask yourself... why did you post this? Is it to try to make people feel similarly to you? Is it in a vain hope that they completely remodel the game after what you think is fun?

PoE is considered fun by enough people for it to exist. That's sufficient. It doesn't have to be the most popular game on the planet to be good.

STOP MAKING SENSE. That is CLEARLY not what this thread is about. Look at the OP and look at the first page.

We don't belong here, Shags. Just...walk...away...

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Why does everyone think that a game has to be popular to be fun? So this game doesn't float your boat. Move on to one that does.

Ask yourself... why did you post this? Is it to try to make people feel similarly to you? Is it in a vain hope that they completely remodel the game after what you think is fun?

PoE is considered fun by enough people for it to exist. That's sufficient. It doesn't have to be the most popular game on the planet to be good.

STOP MAKING SENSE. That is CLEARLY not what this thread is about. Look at the OP and look at the first page.

We don't belong here, Shags. Just...walk...away...

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This is what happens with the model GGG have. The model they insist is fun and nothing other than it is fun.

An end game gated behind wealth, a crafting system gated behind wealth and a ladder highly influenced by wealth.

A game layered in brutal RNG, which isn't bad in and of itself, but for the presence, by design, of ways to almost completely remove that RNG.

The problem is the lord:peasant way that this completely relies on trade.

The result, is a substantial part of the player base gearing up real quick, levelling up real quick and getting bored real quick while another substantial part of the player base, at the other end feel like they are getting nowhere.

The former party we see for example, falling asleep through boredom at 98 in maxed gear, dying to a crab and go play hearthstone, not bothered in the slightest that their 'slow' count to 100 was prematurely ended. The latter will cry on the forums about the trade system and be told in no uncertain terms by the denizens that they are a scrub baddie bad casual, they just quit, too now.

Resulting in a rather unanimous outcry for an already short progression league in terms of RPG progression, to be even shorter.

All the while, there are players who see aRPGs as loot finders, not trade sims, plodding on for thousands of hours, oblivious to economy issues, nowhere near the progression of a high ranked short league player and still logging in every day to progress, even though they are gated from crafting and from content.

But apparently, that isn't fun.

I think GGG need to open their eyes and realise that what they insist is fun, is hella fun for some, for a very short time only and is completely not fun for others long term, while a play style they insist cannot be fun, has longevity.

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Indeed, they put a lot of RNG in to make it difficult to sustain [end tier maps].

But then they put ways to minimise the RNG, if you play economy sim.

They also say that respeccing shouldn't be easy.

Yet, by playing the game the way they want, the way they say is fun, you can and always could chain the final tier maps, you can and always could "wtb 50 regrets".

This is the repeating irony with GGG, everything they say should be difficult, hardcore or challenging, every layer of harsh RNG; is almost completely trivialised, negated, removed by playing the game the way they want you to.

The funny thing is, for a solo self found player, sustaining end tier maps isn't possible, regrets that are looted are a valuable vendor exchange for the extremely rare and required alc and challenging content is actually challenging if not for the fact it isn't accessible.
Solo self found players experience this game exactly like GGG say it should be experienced, the game is exactly how they describe it; by playing it a way they insist isn't fun, quite obviously loathe and actively discourage.

Now ain't that a fk'd up, arse-about-face, upside-down contradiction of a design?

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Crackmonster wrote:

So long as PoE remains as unrewarding as it is, it will not attract as many players as it could, simply because the gameplay is not fulfilling enough. Still a great game, but you need to go no-lifer just to get the very basic items required for a properly competitive build, and that is where many lose interest.

It takes around 1.5k+++ hours before you have completed the circle of just feeling one character has reached near completion to the point you are satisfied and want to try something else because of that.

Due to that raw time restriction, very few players get to experience more than a very few builds to a satisfying level of their potential, and so being restricted to a small part of the game's potential it is less interesting, in particular when it is a game focused around freedom of choice.

Only flippers, people who do not care about constantly selling their items on all characters so that they can focus their entire wealth on one character while gaming nonstop, those who play in full organized groups and those who spend every waking hour of their time on poe get to experience the fullness of the game.

That is why PoE has so low player numbers in a genre we know has potential for many times greater player bases.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

I could split the population into 3 categories.
Those who play as designed and succeed.
Those who try to play as designed but fail.
Those who play a way that GGG actively discourage.

The first get bored real quick and move on.
The second quit through frustration, or if they endure and eventually achieve, see above.
The third, usually realise through actions and comments of Chris, that it is a lost hope, or if stubborn (like myself) carry on with that glimmer of hope, until something else pulls them away.

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txfirefighter wrote:

What? Where did you come up with this? I'm part of the first and well, haven't gotten bored yet.

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Indeed, they put a lot of RNG in to make it difficult to sustain [end tier maps].

But then they put ways to minimise the RNG, if you play economy sim.

They also say that respeccing shouldn't be easy.

Yet, by playing the game the way they want, the way they say is fun, you can and always could chain the final tier maps, you can and always could "wtb 50 regrets".

This is the repeating irony with GGG, everything they say should be difficult, hardcore or challenging, every layer of harsh RNG; is almost completely trivialised, negated, removed by playing the game the way they want you to.

The funny thing is, for a solo self found player, sustaining end tier maps isn't possible, regrets that are looted are a valuable vendor exchange for the extremely rare and required alc and challenging content is actually challenging if not for the fact it isn't accessible.
Solo self found players experience this game exactly like GGG say it should be experienced, the game is exactly how they describe it; by playing it a way they insist isn't fun, quite obviously loathe and actively discourage.

Now ain't that a fk'd up, arse-about-face, upside-down contradiction of a design?

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Boem wrote:

It becomes even more funny when people mention SF players want an easier game, when it are the traders that actively trivialize content..