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Cribstaxx wrote:
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Nephalim wrote:
top end gear being accessible only through mirroring for a fee instead of crafting/item finding is a game design fault of GGG's in conjunction with the rampant rmt that has been allowed to fester.
How do you think those mirror worthy items came about?
Bots + RMT? 2 of the top 3 highest dps weapons on Standard are owned by the same guy. Let's not be naive here.
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Posted bynGio#1658on Jan 22, 2014, 2:54:47 PM
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So again I ask, who is the target audience of PoE? It's clearly not the younger generation, but instead it's the D2 generation. The problem is that the D2 generation grew up, got jobs, got married, had kids, etc. We can't grind like we used to. Can we put in 20-30 hours a week? Sure. But we aren't doing 20 hour marathon sleepovers at our friends' houses anymore.
What arpgs need now is the best of both, a hybrid of the old school D2 grinder with the youth of today's generation, who don't particularly enjoy arpgs. This is imo the biggest dilemma, and the reason that arpg after arpg falls into the toilet. PoE will never be D2, so GGG needs to decide who they're target audience is before this game bleeds out anymore players. At some point GGG and their loyalists will have to come to grips that like every arpg since D2 this just isn't working, and it's too bad because this game could be great.
So, if I was married and one year removed from becoming a father when D2 was released can I be a part of the same "D2 Generation"?
See, my experience of D2 was so much less about the gear and so much more about creating indelible memories of epic games with online friends, creating lasting relationships that continue across games. In that respect, PoE is a great game. It provides an incredible venue for my gaming community to "gather" and play with one another, and, in many ways, for one another. That the game appears to reward cooperative play further enhances enjoyment.
All of these "discussions" are firmly rooted in subjectivity.
Your point is that you just want to play games with friends. It sounds like playing a board game or WoW even (not an insult!) would work for you. You just want a medium for social interaction with friends and that's cool. It's why playing COD with my buddies overseas on Skype works so well, it's not that the game is just so good, it's more a tool for the fun we're having together.
You can't just say the state of the game is 'fine' just because you have an enjoyable time playing it with friends. You have to take into account all players.
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nGio wrote:
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Cribstaxx wrote:
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Nephalim wrote:
top end gear being accessible only through mirroring for a fee instead of crafting/item finding is a game design fault of GGG's in conjunction with the rampant rmt that has been allowed to fester.
How do you think those mirror worthy items came about?
Bots + RMT? 2 of the top 3 highest dps weapons on Standard are owned by the same guy. Let's not be naive here.
But they were both crafted by that guy were they not? Just because he used an illegitimate means to acquire the currency doesn't mean he didn't roll them (probably 1000's of times) to get the affixes to make it mirror worthy. So if your goal as a player is to get 11 mirror worthy items then it's either time to play 20 hours a day, get a credit card with a higher limit, or change your goals.
Talking about nephalim who apparently does want all slots mirrored btw.
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Posted byCribstaxx#4323on Jan 22, 2014, 2:58:43 PM
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But they were both crafted by that guy were they not? Just because he used an illegitimate means to acquire the currency doesn't mean he didn't roll them (probably 1000's of times) to get the affixes to make it mirror worthy. So if your goal as a player is to get 11 mirror worthy items then it's either time to play 20 hours a day, get a credit card with a higher limit, or change your goals.
Talking about nephalim who apparently does want all slots mirrored btw.
i could do nothing but laugh at this statement, let me repeat it for you,
HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHA
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Posted byBoem#2861on Jan 22, 2014, 3:01:13 PMOn Probation
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But they were both crafted by that guy were they not? Just because he used an illegitimate means to acquire the currency doesn't mean he didn't roll them (probably 1000's of times) to get the affixes to make it mirror worthy. So if your goal as a player is to get 11 mirror worthy items then it's either time to play 20 hours a day, get a credit card with a higher limit, or change your goals.
Talking about nephalim who apparently does want all slots mirrored btw.
I would strive for relatively bis. That bis item (its not really bis in this case) should be something I traded, found, crafted for instead of a predetermined 100% bis rare that costs a mirror and 60 exalts to dupe.
this is horrible from a game design and player satisfaction standpoint when the holy grail of gear is reliant on my handing a rmt scumbag 60 exalts and a mirror.
I would not want an entire set of mirrored rares because this shows
1) you rmt out of your ass
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2) you have absolutely no desire or ability to optimize your character and build
This is a good example of exactly that:
IGN: Arlianth
Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Jan 22, 2014, 3:06:40 PM
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Posted byNephalim#2731on Jan 22, 2014, 3:05:57 PM
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I am merely saying that if your goal is to be in the top .1% gear wise then you're chances at having fun in the game are also about .1% b/c you will never be satisfied with what you have.
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Posted byCribstaxx#4323on Jan 22, 2014, 3:10:42 PM
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That guy obviously has skill Nephalim, are you jelly?
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
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Posted byBoem#2861on Jan 22, 2014, 3:11:48 PMOn Probation
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Cribstaxx wrote:
I am merely saying that if your goal is to be in the top .1% gear wise then you're chances at having fun in the game are also about .1% b/c you will never be satisfied with what you have.
Exactly, thanks for confirming that striving for a sense of character completion is destined towards a non-fun destination.
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Posted byDeletedon Jan 22, 2014, 3:13:07 PM
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Cribstaxx wrote:
I am merely saying that if your goal is to be in the top .1% gear wise then you're chances at having fun in the game are also about .1% b/c you will never be satisfied with what you have.
Exactly, thanks for confirming that striving for a sense of character completion is destined towards a non-fun destination.
That's like saying you can't find any enjoyment playing basketball because you can't beat Micheal Jordan in a 1 on 1. Why do you either have to have the absolute best of everything or can't have fun?
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Posted byCribstaxx#4323on Jan 22, 2014, 3:20:36 PM
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Cribstaxx wrote:
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Cronk wrote:
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Cribstaxx wrote:
I am merely saying that if your goal is to be in the top .1% gear wise then you're chances at having fun in the game are also about .1% b/c you will never be satisfied with what you have.
Exactly, thanks for confirming that striving for a sense of character completion is destined towards a non-fun destination.
That's like saying you can't find any enjoyment playing basketball because you can't beat Micheal Jordan in a 1 on 1. Why do you either have to have the absolute best of everything or can't have fun?
Because you need something to aim for. Otherwise trying to get better at it has no point.
Also doesn't help that the actual grinding in this game isn't fun like it was in D2.
But then again, this has been said thousands of times already. So we'll see what the future brings. I myself stopped logging in because of this. Rythem of the game isn't smooth enough for me to enjoy.
Vote +1 to change Path of Exile to Path of Nerfs.
We hate to say, but ProjectPT was right.
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Posted byHyskoa#4601on Jan 22, 2014, 3:25:36 PM
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