GZ FranzKafka, First level 100 on nemesis league!

Gz FranzKafka! :D

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Completed 1 Challengepelife123 wrote:
CoD doesn't work when a spell is linked to trap/remote mine

Ex.: CoD + Trap + fireball doesn't work... it should, since your are casting the spell fireball which happens to be a trap now.

Mark_GGG responded this :

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No you're not. You're placing a trap. When that trap is triggered, it will cast the spell Fireball. Placing a trap is not casting a spell.

Source : Cast on death sub forum.

Date : january 2.

11 days before the exploit information was publicly released. I would figure a dude that uses twitch and streams, knows about the skill sub forums, and is able to read them in order to figure out if this is an exploit/bug/glitch or not. And if he should proceed to use it (and keep it silent on purpose) or not.

But that is just my opinion.

Just saying monstamunch if i could get this "dev" information on the subject basically saying it is not possible, in the sub forum of the support gem that is being abused, while in fact i find a way around it that does enable the process to occur. I am fairly capable of assuming the dev's where unaware and should report it in the bug section...

I might have to high hopes, i admit.

I am still curious to see the implications of this towards the next league.

Even being after the release date, should we report this kind of bug to GGG?

If GGG had clarified about their stance on the bug issues, then we should follow what they want. But as always, they have not told us nothing about it.

This is not a problems of Franz, but GGG who left this kind of issue without any clarification. GGG should make a clear statement on bug issues.


Congrats Frank!



Added: I would like to see a message from GGG that celebrate this amazing achievement as the case of Baker.

I don't know why people are so pissed off that someone used an exploit. Perhaps because it's a multiplayer game? Using exploits / oversights is accepted in the speedrunning community (which is also very competitive), and nobody is butthurt about it.

Now, a whole different deal is using maphacks or other cheating programs. That is not considered an exploit or game mechanic and should be punished.

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Oiranoiccid wrote:

If GGG had clarified about their stance on the bug issues, then we should follow what they want. But as always, they have not told us nothing about it.

They have. I quoted Qarl and I'll do it again:

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Qarl wrote:

Regarding the abusing mechanics, we don't want players to be second guessing whether they are allowed to make a character in a specific way.

As the games high level content requires you to be using the mechanics to your advantage, it would be a bad precedent to set banning some uses of mechanics.

If there is an abusable mechanic, like the stun lock, it is on us (the game designers) to make sure it cannot be abused.

If you find something that can be abused and you consider yourself a tester or a "good sport", then put it in the bugs section, but there's nothing obliging you to do so at this point.

Monstamunch, press the GGG symbol next to the "cast on death" sub forum.

Read the date and what Mark_GGG has written down, then come tell me this info was hard to find, and a guy like havoc cannot come to the same conclusion it was not intended.

Then try to explain to me why he stopped streaming during the period he was abusing this.



And btw, i am not bothered with the fact that an exploit was used/abused, what annoys me is the fact it was a top ladder player and a streamer on top of that.

they should be fully aware they have a roll as an example to the entire community, and the people following them.

Not much was gained with this lvl 100 imo. If anything, it's an insult to the other ladder players and to GGG as a company doing there best to provide a balanced league/game.

What makes it even more distasteful is the fact he could have probably reached level 100 without this glitch, but actively decided to use it non the less, while being aware it was a glitch and not intentional. Stop streaming, don't post it in bug section, in fear of "nerf"
(is it possible to nerf a glitch?) actively promoting the whole "GGG only nerfs shit" mentality.
While every person who is truthful with himself knows that a glitch cannot be "nerfed" since it was never intentionally placed in the game.

It's hard to believe you defend this, being an alpha member. I would assume you are the guys that where hunting these things in the past.
And i assume the top players have the same "skill" and "experience" like you guys to know where the line is between "intentional mechanic abuse" and "glitch that made it into the patch"

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Qarl wrote:
Regarding the abusing mechanics, we don't want players to be second guessing whether they are allowed to make a character in a specific way.

As the games high level content requires you to be using the mechanics to your advantage, it would be a bad precedent to set banning some uses of mechanics.

If there is an abusable mechanic, like the stun lock, it is on us (the game designers) to make sure it cannot be abused.

If havoc was literally depending on this statement to support his play-style, why did he stop streaming when he utilized it?
Why did he only make his build public after he was lvl 98(13 january)? Unlike every other time where he puts his build up for the public to see at the early stages.

I mean the entirety of his actions suggest prejudice and guild induced secrecy. This from somebody who function as a model for other players, is what bothers me.

ITS NOT A BUG....ITS A FEATURE!!

sorry but i had to say it:)

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Boem wrote:

Monstamunch, press the GGG symbol next to the "cast on death" sub forum.

Read the date and what Mark_GGG has written down, then come tell me this info was hard to find, and a guy like havoc cannot come to the same conclusion it was not intended.

You're missing the point. I didn't say it was intended. The example I gave for context on the quote from Qarl wasn't intended either, you were never supposed to be able to permastun all the bosses.

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Boem wrote:

It's hard to believe you defend this, being an alpha member. I would assume you are the guys that where hunting these things in the past.

As to whether I'm defending it; I said it's legit. It's not how I would want to play, I think it would be boring as hell, but he didn't break any rules, he didn't do anything that anyone else couldn't have done, so like I said, imo it's legit.

As to whether finding this sort of stuff is part of Alpha, generally no, and especially not at the moment. GGG have their own QA team, and as I previously said, if you consider the number of possible combinations compared to the small handful of abusable ones that have ever made it into the game , it shows they are doing a pretty damn good job with it.

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And i assume the top players have the same "skill" and "experience" like you guys to know where the line is between "intentional mechanic abuse" and "glitch that made it into the patch"

Skills? I am but a lowly humble fisherman :S

Seriously though, there isn't a difference, and glitch isn't the right word to describe this. It's either a coding error or an oversight. Either way, it isn't a player's job to second guess whether they are playing legitimately or not, as long as they aren't breaking any rules.

Someone got to 100 witha glitch, big deal.....just like botting to 99 in d2. If that is the kind of person you are then cool, I cant imagine anyone would be impressed the the "amazing feat!" of level 100.


GGG is never going to ban or even upset a supporter/streamer. They have already proven that by allowing legacy items, letting supporters troll around on the forums...use exploits on live stream.

They pay more than us for special treatment...its just life:D

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Xaaz23 wrote:

lol - this clown was like 5 levels behind the Domination guy and that dude is still 99. How can you call it anything other than an exploit.

I couldn't care less as I read the thread for the lulz, but this is why most people don't give a shit about ladders. They are to make the unemployed feel useful.

+1

Hardly earning something when you willingly cheese to get it.