GZ FranzKafka, First level 100 on nemesis league!

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gr00grams wrote:

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Deux wrote:

Minimum wage workers are probably the people who have time to get to level 100 in a rush. Because MOST of us with real jobs siply don't care that much.

Yet you care enough to post, carry on, and compare something outside the realm of video games to that within the realm of one.

Is this the only defense or excuse?

"I could do it, because I can't, because I got other things to do."

If you have real world priorities, great, I do too, but don't think anyone on a video game forum gives a shit. I'm sure no one gives a flying fagoo about mine either. Just remember, you're on a video game forum. People here, care about the game, and accomplishments in said game. We're not here to talk about stocks and bonds. You could be worth 2 billion dollars, the CEO of Walmart, and no one gives a 2 penny fuck about that here.

Here's a quote that I like:

"If you really want to do something, you'll find a way. If you don't, you'll find an excuse."
- Jim Rohn

tl dr

Nor care.

Unless you are say level 88 89 90+ im not sure why you are even speaking?

For me i coud hit 100 in a reasonable amount of time WITH a job. Its the currency commitment I don't like.

Exploiting fopr levels is cheesy dude, thats all most of us are saying

I love POE meta. All the algoQQwhinebots.

I'm sure Chris approves. He has stated time and time again, or challenged, anyone to break his game, to find exploits, secrets.

You just QQing because you didn't find it. First. or didn't exploit it to its max potential. People say its a well known exploit. Pash. Where was it in the bug reports? Why not enough QQ until now? Only when someone reached L100? You're all complicit in keeping this quiet. it shows a hidden agenda in the community, everyone is out to make it for themselves, but when an individual takes the cake, losers QQ cos they missed out.

In the current socialistic atmosphere of 'fairness' and 'redistribution', however, mud will be thrown, and pressure is being brought onto GGG to fix this exploit (yup it is an exploit), preferably before the next season starts.

COngratulations Franzkafka, and GGG should hire Havoc.

So had I known about the d3 invincibility exploit with the wizard at the start of the game. Beat it in a day, this would have made me a better play than kripp?

Interesting.

Edit: and hornedrat, Chris's quote said he wants you to *feel* like you're exploiting the game. Such as taking advantage of 6S being sold from the vendors for an alt. Not actually exploiting. I'm sure Chris would've approved if it was, you know, reported.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

So had I known about the d3 invincibility exploit with the wizard at the start of the game. Beat it in a day, this would have made me a better play than kripp?

Interesting.

as a bunch of ppl claim in here, it probably would lol.

so take a note for the upcoming leagues peeps. you wanna win ? you don't want to be called jelly loser ? then find a bug (yourself, on the forums/reddit whatever, it's very likely that it won't be fixed for weeks anyway) and exploit the shit out of it, because guess what ? nobody seems to care and even more, there is a bunch of ignorant ppl who thinks that it's actually cool.

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How does that make sense? An exploit is a non-intentional design flaw, bypassing certain rules set forth by the mechanics/game itself.

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People are supposed to do whatever they can within the rules in order to win, it's not a competition if they don't.

I bolded the illogical part in your response to mine.

You yourself state a competition exist's of certain rules and moving freely within those boundary's, i assume in order to create a "fair game" where everybody has the same rules applied to them.

A glitch/bug, is usually a breach of those rules. In this case it is not different. CoD was never intended to work with summons, this was made clear some weeks ago. There was a dev post about it when it came out answering the question "will this work with minions?" to which the reply was a solid "no it will not".

How does your argument hold up, when you contradict yourself?

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I love POE meta. All the algoQQwhinebots.

I'm sure Chris approves. He has stated time and time again, or challenged, anyone to break his game, to find exploits, secrets.

You just QQing because you didn't find it. First. or didn't exploit it to its max potential. People say its a well known exploit. Pash. Where was it in the bug reports? Why not enough QQ until now? Only when someone reached L100? You're all complicit in keeping this quiet. it shows a hidden agenda in the community, everyone is out to make it for themselves, but when an individual takes the cake, losers QQ cos they missed out.

In the current socialistic atmosphere of 'fairness' and 'redistribution', however, mud will be thrown, and pressure is being brought onto GGG to fix this exploit (yup it is an exploit), preferably before the next season starts.

COngratulations Franzkafka, and GGG should hire Havoc.

1) i do not play a summoner and do not care for the competition

2) it was well known but kept a secret from the developers (havoc released his build details at 13 january, after reaching lvl 98)

3) i don't care about this really, my concern is that it will devaluate every legitimate attempt at lvl 100 in the future.

4)I do care however about the fact that it will put a negative light on the next league's and on GGG as a company. For a streamer that is a retarded action, since he himself rely's on the success of the game and league's.

Like i mentioned before, if he was not a streamer, and not playing for the top ladder, this would have been a non-issue, but since he is it just demonstrates lack of will-power and poor intent.

Edit : typo

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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Boem wrote:

How does that make sense? An exploit is a non-intentional design flaw, bypassing certain rules set forth by the mechanics/game itself.

How is milking that related to being a "top-player"

As I and others have pointed out, traditionally it has always been what separates the top players from everyone else, whether it be in getting WoW world firsts, doing competitive speed runs, e-sports whatever. People are supposed to do whatever they can within the rules in order to win, it's not a competition if they don't. Sure, failing to report exploits would make someone a bad tester, but not a bad competitor.

Testing is for testing, and competition is for competition. Most of the whingers here are just jealous that they didn't think of it first.

Since you bring it up yourself, in Wow people have been banned for using exploits - there is a clear distinction between "clever use of mechanics" and obviously bugged things, if you use bugs you exploit the game and you are usually banned or have whatever you gained taken from you again.

I kind of feel as exploiting is becoming accepted by a few gamers now (if the thread wasn't any indication).

So now dishonest gamers (the minority) are raising their voices to say that it's alright to exploit games now. Hell they even throw a parade about it now (twitchTV).

And that thing about competition that makes it alright to abuse and exploit, is that okay??

Man, I'm sure there are top players that are legit but RMT and abuse sure is slinging a lot of mud in their faces.

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Boem wrote:

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How does that make sense? An exploit is a non-intentional design flaw, bypassing certain rules set forth by the mechanics/game itself.

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People are supposed to do whatever they can within the rules in order to win, it's not a competition if they don't.

I bolded the illogical part in your response to mine.

You yourself state a competition exist's of certain rules and moving freely within those boundary's, i assume in order to create a "fair game" where everybody has the same rules applied to them.

A glitch/bug, is usually a breach of those rules. In this case it is not different. CoD was never intended to work with summons, this was made clear some weeks ago. There was a dev post about it when it came out answering the question "will this work with minions?" to which the reply was a solid "no it will not".

How does your argument hold up, when you contradict yourself?

I didn't contradict myself, nor is my point illogical. The fact that a rule doesn't exist because of a "design flaw" doesn't mean people who are competing have to pretend that the rule exists when it doesn't. Chris and other devs have spoken about this before at length, and I don't agree with Slayer's interpretation of what was said.

Here is a more clear cut quote from Qarl (for context, it was people complaining about Krip not getting banned for using pre-nerf stun lock):

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Qarl wrote:

Regarding the abusing mechanics, we don't want players to be second guessing whether they are allowed to make a character in a specific way.

As the games high level content requires you to be using the mechanics to your advantage, it would be a bad precedent to set banning some uses of mechanics.

If there is an abusable mechanic, like the stun lock, it is on us (the game designers) to make sure it cannot be abused.

Source roughly mid way down the page. And Video of the particular mechanic being discussed in the bit I quoted.

It's completely applicable to the situation being discussed here.

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mazul wrote:

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Cosma wrote:

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tadl wrote:

A lot of jelly beans coming in this thread.


Gratz to this guy, sacrificed a lot RL to get this done.

You got it all wrong.

Etup sacrified alot of RL to almost get this done. Then 2 abusers came along and sacrificed much less RL to take all the glory.

Etup either broke the rules or encouraged other players to break the rules by advertising forbidden trade macros.

In this game wealth = exp due to how mapping works. So yes it matters expwise as well.

Havoc did not break the rules as far as I know.

So Etup = should be banned while Havoc shouldn't be banned as far as I know.

I agree that actions should have been taken against Etup aswell for the macros etc.

I dont agree that you can compare a trade macro with a broken mechanic like CoD minions. We are basically talking about one shotting lvl 78 map bosses and achieving 100-200% faster exp rate due to a bug/exploit/broken mechanic.

In the end (for the third time now) its not the players fault that GGG releases "untested" "skills and support gems. But if you are competing in a ladder race and have ANY dignity you should report this bug and stop using it as soon as you find it. If you dont - then I guess you will have to live with being called a cheater on forums.

Im sure they will survive this drama with no problems.

Congratulations on finding a game breaking bug and fully profiting from it!

I myself hope that one day I will manage to find a way to gain unfair advantages over others and enjoy them to the fullest.













Sarcasm and cynicism aside I don't really care that much what the top ladder players do as I don't follow them and I play the game for myself and have my own goals. But I DO think that GGG should hotfix these kind of bugs (it hasn't been fixed yet has it?).