My Thoughts about RNG Manipulation.

Funny thread.

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CCR5 wrote:

How many of you guys are professional programmers?
By "professional" I mean "feed the family".

Now over to my pet peeve and totally off topic!

Why do you refer to programmers as some kind of identifier for people who should be able to understand this?
I've met, worked with, worked "against", hired and fired a lot of programmers in my life. What makes or break a "programmer" is his/her ability to be logical, not just within a limited scope but in the grand scheme of things - know why you are going to write this bit of code, what implications will it have and not just "I must write some code". A LOT of highly paid programmers have really no clue at all :)

It would be easier to get your point across if you instead had referred to "a person with a bit of logical understanding".

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almostdead wrote:

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CCR5 wrote:

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nGio wrote:

Well it wasn't 100 and it wasn't a theory, considering fact debunks any opinions. You can actually use xyz to see it happening.

You assume numbers on poe.xyz adequately reflects soul takers stock in stashes.

Also something else to add to that - perhaps there were multiple soul takers for sale days before, some people wanted to sell but the price was too low so they decided to keep for the time sake. Now some rich, merchanting guy bought out all soul takers planning to sell for mad profits. Now you looked at poe.xyz and found out that there are no soul takers for sale. Other people noticed same and decided that now is a good time to make a sale. You got a soul taker as a drop and listed it available for sale, so did those other players.

In my opinion just as likely as your theory

If this happened 1 time, maybe. If 1 month into Nemesis some guy could afford to buy 7 Soul Takers and unload them all when I put mine up, just to drive down the cost of his own Soul Takers, then yeah, I guess the stars could align in that moment for this to be true. Like the panda guy, something crazy happening 1 time is just that. But we aren't talking about 1 time. We're not talking about 10 times. We are talking about this happening the MAJORITY of the time.

3 weeks ago when 14 new Lioneye Glares all popped up by 14 different sellers within 5 hours in Nemesis, no one I was in Vent with even said much. We have all seen this so much that no one even gives a shit anymore. The examples are countless. You're saying that someone could get struck by lightning 3 times in a row for 3 consecutive days, which statistically could happen. This happening to 100 other people simultaneously is impossible. Like I said before, this argument was had years ago when people were still defending Diablo Clone spawns as RNG, so it wouldn't be anything new.

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Twiiik wrote:

Now over to my pet peeve and totally off topic!

It is about knowing how programming project operates from inside.
That additional code for manipulating needs to be written, tested and maintained.
Nobody wants it.
And if you screw up with this code, you'll get bugs like that guy on stream with 300 uniques at the same time.

Why would you ever need to dynamically manipulate unique drops probabilities
if you could just set flat probability roll and forget?

Creator of the thread doesn't even pass basic sanity test in my book:

"ive recently had the feeling that RNG is being ACTIVELY MANIPULATED to create situations. Like several race teams getting the items they want/need and see who uses em better, forcing dsyncing in certain situations"

so there must a person in the team assigned to watch races (what if they don't stream? what if timezones are different?) and press buttons and desync people (in real time, suuuuure, ever heard of stream delays?) and you pay money to that person.

For what exactly would you pay money?

Hmm double posted.

I work in a casino, statistical improbabilities happen all the time and there is always 1 exception loser at the table saying;
'after 31 it always comes 13'
If it comes 13 he says 'see, I told you'
If it doesn't come 13 he just doesn't register it as he only sees shit in the world that confirms the stupid connections his flawed mind has constructed in it's attempts to make sense of the chaotic world.

Also this stuff you say like it is irrefutable
"3 weeks ago when 14 new Lioneye Glares all popped up by 14 different sellers within 5 hours in Nemesis, no one I was in Vent with even said much"

No on I was in vent with even said much when you posted that as it. You are just pulling these things out of thin air.
You are just posting anecdotal evidence like it holds some weight and backing it up with exaggeration.

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Mammatus wrote:

I work in a casino, statistical improbabilities happen all the time and there is always 1 exception loser at the table saying;
'after 31 it always comes 13'
If it comes 13 he says 'see, I told you'
If it doesn't come 13 he just doesn't register it as he only sees shit in the world that confirms the stupid connections his flawed mind has constructed in it's attempts to make sense of the chaotic world.

That's a lot different than every player hitting 13 every night from precisely 6pm to 7pm, and from 7:01pm to 5:59pm no one hitting 13. Are there weird people that believe in Astrology and Homeopathy and a bunch of other weird off the wall shit? Of course. But refusing to believe something in front of you just because you don't want to see it is equally as silly.

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evilcloud5 wrote:

Don't troll please.

Spoiler

desync

Funnily enough, the fact that desync exists is partly because of GGG's choice in Random Number Generator. It it were "less random" the desync problem would change quite a bit.

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nGio wrote:

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Mammatus wrote:

I work in a casino, statistical improbabilities happen all the time and there is always 1 exception loser at the table saying;
'after 31 it always comes 13'
If it comes 13 he says 'see, I told you'
If it doesn't come 13 he just doesn't register it as he only sees shit in the world that confirms the stupid connections his flawed mind has constructed in it's attempts to make sense of the chaotic world.

That's a lot different than every player hitting 13 every night from precisely 6pm to 7pm, and from 7:01pm to 5:59pm no one hitting 13. Are there weird people that believe in Astrology and Homeopathy and a bunch of other weird off the wall shit? Of course. But refusing to believe something in front of you just because you don't want to see it is equally as silly.

There you go again..... so you did the math and the shit you are seeing is equal to everyone hitting 13 from 6pm to 7pm lol. You really do have a strange brain, you are trying to convey statistical improbabilities with no idea how to get an idea across in a convincing manner, just making shit up.

You believe something
You have no proof and haven't actually looked into it
You have no evidence that you can back up
you are starting a religion

Get some proof that doesn't involve 'I saw this' and you might make someone think rather then roll their eyes.

I'm done until you have any scrap of evidence you can support.
Your testimony doesn't count.

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nGio wrote:

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Mammatus wrote:

I work in a casino, statistical improbabilities happen all the time and there is always 1 exception loser at the table saying;
'after 31 it always comes 13'
If it comes 13 he says 'see, I told you'
If it doesn't come 13 he just doesn't register it as he only sees shit in the world that confirms the stupid connections his flawed mind has constructed in it's attempts to make sense of the chaotic world.

That's a lot different than every player hitting 13 every night from precisely 6pm to 7pm, and from 7:01pm to 5:59pm no one hitting 13. Are there weird people that believe in Astrology and Homeopathy and a bunch of other weird off the wall shit? Of course. But refusing to believe something in front of you just because you don't want to see it is equally as silly.

They are constantly tweaking drop rates of "big" uniques. I will believe this until one of the devs outright says that is not the case (and in fairness I might still believe it then.) I am constantly watching the high end ones required to get the last challenge, and they most definitely drop in 'clumps.'

Selective RNG for individuals tho... Not happening.