Amount of grinding in PoE, compared to Diablo 2

Stop trying to make POE fun. It won't happen. Accept it.

The thing is also that there's already sooooo many games where you can have long grinds. It's so disappointing that PoE comes from an idea that D2 was a great game, and then decides to add it's own twist by making the grinds a lot longer. There's so many alternatives and choices already. But alternatives for D2, with the D2 structure of making characters and leveling? Not so much, actually.

I do get the feeling PoE wants to be an MMO, and attracts a lot of MMO players. I'm not sure if it tried to mix aRPG and MMO from the beginning, but the differences between these genres are there for a reason, and in this case of the leveling pace the mix-up of the two doesn't hit the right note if you ask me. Obviously, fans of the classic MMO gameplay will find it just fine, and even forgiving maybe.

But personally I did hope PoE would lean more towards the aRPG roots than MMO.

If you think that this boring shitfest grind is bad now, wait until you start crafting or looking for items that are worth the time it takes to sell them. The real grind is saving 20,000 Alteration Orbs to trade in for higher currency to craft something.

This game was pretty damn fun for a while, but it has nowhere near the replay value of D2, and tbh it's not even close.

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Hyskoa wrote:

Stop trying to make POE fun. It won't happen. Accept it.

Again, subjective term. This game is all kinds of fun for me and many of my friends. We play it every single night together and woudnt have it any other way. Most of us agree that if they made the game easier and faster, it would likely loose alot of its luster do to being over and done to quickly to be exciting.

You might want to play a game where you can hit max level and do nothing but chat in a few hours, but not every one does. As of now, the way the game stands, its winning many awards for game f the year, and rightfully so. Its the single best Arpg on the market right now. Except for d2, but we all know d2 will always be king.

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Geertwilbert wrote:

The thing is also that there's already sooooo many games where you can have long grinds. It's so disappointing that PoE comes from an idea that D2 was a great game, and then decides to add it's own twist by making the grinds a lot longer. There's so many alternatives and choices already. But alternatives for D2, with the D2 structure of making characters and leveling? Not so much, actually.

I do get the feeling PoE wants to be an MMO, and attracts a lot of MMO players. I'm not sure if it tried to mix aRPG and MMO from the beginning, but the differences between these genres are there for a reason, and in this case of the leveling pace the mix-up of the two doesn't hit the right note if you ask me. Obviously, fans of the classic MMO gameplay will find it just fine, and even forgiving maybe.

But personally I did hope PoE would lean more towards the aRPG roots than MMO.

With the amount of grinding that takes place, I'd say its roots are in just the right area. I cant think of a single arpg that isnt a grind fest. In fact, I cant think of a single RPG that isnt a grind heavy game. Games that dont offer alot of grind are usually PvP oriented games and built around that aspect. If this game wasnt grind heavy, then people would likely stop playing soon after starting it. I mean, I've been constantly playing this game for over a year, and havent found a single reason to ever stop.

I don't really see your point. D2 really had no endgame in that sense. It was just endless boss runs. You could easily compare these boss runs with Piety runs and gearing a character to kill Piety in Merciless really doesn't take very long.

The problem here really is your skewed perspective. You are not comparing the D2 endgame (boss runs) with it's PoE equivalent (boss runs, such as piety), but rather something that had no equivalent in D2 (maping) and should thus be seen as additional content.

I mean your argument directly translates to "D2 has no real endgame like PoE (Maps) , both games have boss runs, therefore D2 is better". Makes no sense.

I know people get massive boners when talking about D2, but realistically it's not that great of a game, it was a good game back when PC gaming was still in it's infancy, but most of these "omg D2 so bawsome" arguments are more based on nostalgic feelings rather than good logic.

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Zalm wrote:

You might want to play a game where you can hit max level and do nothing but chat in a few hours, but not every one does. As of now, the way the game stands, its winning many awards for game f the year, and rightfully so. Its the single best Arpg on the market right now. Except for d2, but we all know d2 will always be king.

What is so frustrating for me is actually how close this game comes to finally being a worthy modernized alternative to D2. If it wasn't, I would have already long given up on it, deleted it, and never look back.

But I do find lots of things fun about this game. All the more annoying that they decided to completely disregard some of the things that D2 did so perfectly and made some baffling game design choices on key aspects. Meanwhile, they actually managed to repeat a lot of mistakes that D3 made, while they had all the info and feedback layed out beforehand to learn from.

It's been proven time and time again that it's actually very hard to make a good and compelling aRPG. This game however is the first to ever come close to D2's crown, while also proving that fact again. A weird mix.

Love/hate would be the best description for how I see PoE :)

Well, it seems your only issue is generally how fast it is to get to end game. In d2 its less than a week, while here is about a week. Am I getting this right?

There might be of course other reasons, but the main reason for this post is that grinding takes too long(a week) compared to d2(2 days). Yes?

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SlixSC wrote:

I don't really see your point. D2 really had no endgame in that sense. It was just endless boss runs. You could easily compare these boss runs with Piety runs and gearing a character to kill Piety in Merciless really doesn't take very long.

The problem here really is your skewed perspective. You are not comparing the D2 endgame (boss runs) with it's PoE equivalent (boss runs, such as piety), but rather something that had no equivalent in D2 (maping) and should thus be seen as additional content.

I know people get massive boners when talking about D2, but realistically it's not that great of a game, it was a good game back when PC gaming was still in it's infancy, but most of these "omg D2 so bawsome" arguments are more based on nostalgic feelings rather than good logic.

I see endgame as farming high lvl areas where potentially "best loot in the game" can drop, or at least close to that. After all, the game is mostly about loot. Therefore I don't see Piety merciless runs as endgame, cause nobody wants to farm in the poor mans areas and find only poor mans loot at best. I don't see maps as "extra content". It was always intended as the endgame. I see it as the equivalent to D2 MF runs.

I don't agree at all with your last statement. D2 is simply the best aRPG, even if you remove all nostalgia. Granted, the engine is now a bit dated, but it's still loads of fun to play today.

GGG has already stated that this game is for HARDCORE people, if you cant handle it...then


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