Amount of grinding in PoE, compared to Diablo 2

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RagnarokChu wrote:

All of you that complain want to be the best when you really don't want to put the time and effort into it. Even if they did change something like D3 to loot 2.0, you would still be jealous of other people gear that worked for it or got >lucky< (surprise it's an ARPG) or eventually hit a wall were you have the top 95% gear and finding the 5% gear better then that is extremely hard.

Ehhh not really no, just want to have some decent gear drop now and then. If such a simple statement is completely unimaginable for you without bringing pictures into your head of retards incapable of playing the game wanking about some forum guy's maxed out gear... I'd say you have a severe case of E-peen pride, and complete lack of ability to move yourself into the minds of people who maybe experience the game differently than you.

The conclusion that everyone who is not satisfied with the current loot system is just jealous is so ridiculous anyway that I don't even know why I'm reacting to it.

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Terrornoid wrote:

There seem to be two divisions to this topic:

1) Those who don't mind grinding towards an unachievable goal.

2) Those who realize the above and want to make that goal achievable for everyone (or most, anyways.)

The whole thing is that goal isnt unachievable, its just absurdly difficult, in either a way of time management or a method of luck. But its there. If getting to max level was unachievable, then there wouldnt be ANYONE at max level. If finding a voltaxic rift was impossible, then they wouldnt even exist in the game.

Max level is unecessary to play this game and enjoy it, nor is the end game godly gear. You can do everything you want with great or even good gear for that matter. You can go through the game end game maps with 7k health and 10k dps, you dont need to strech as far as possible to get that 11k dps and 8k health. It wont make too much of a difference.

I want there to be an end game that is difficult to get to, by either grinding or getting lucky I dont want anyone getting an easy ride to Godlyness. Not me, not you, not anyone. Godly is just that,Godly. Not everyone needs to run around with pristine gear, only a select few who are determined to get there should have that option.

No I dont have godly gear but one day I will. I'd rather take my time to get it than just have the drops amped up and have it tossed at me.

@ OP Stopped reading your post as soon as I realised you ddint know what you were talking about.

People leveled in d2 for Botting and PVP and to compete with ladder level.

But in d2, you didnt have to continusoly pay for content access to level.

In PoE you do. And IMHO thats the games single biggest flaw.

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Geertwilbert wrote:

Ehhh not really no, just want to have some decent gear drop now and then.

Honestly if a player hasn't found some decent gear now and then, then they're not playing PoE.

It's more complex, especially come the time for doing maps, never mind killing Dominus without dieing. It takes planning to the extent that PoE is far less of a dumbass game that D2 is. That last point could either by a good or bad thing, depending on how a person likes to game.

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Deux wrote:

@ OP Stopped reading your post as soon as I realised you ddint know what you were talking about.

People leveled in d2 for Botting and PVP and to compete with ladder level.

But in d2, you didnt have to continusoly pay for content access to level.

In PoE you do. And IMHO thats the games single biggest flaw.

You dont have to pay for anything in this game. MTX are optional and completely unecessary to play the game.

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Zalm wrote:

I dont know if it was BiS mempo, but it sold for 2 bil and I dont care otherwise. It had like nearly max rolls and dex, so it sold quick. I remember the ammy though.

286 str
182 vit
10% ias
96% CD
10% CC
73 res all

Again, sold for 2 bil, probably could have gotten more had I went to forums or something, but I didnt care. Again, I dont even care to play the game. And they dont even have loot 2.0 now, much less three months ago. So I got those two drops on the old roll system, hence my WD got a str ammy and a dex mempo.

Godly gear BiS, top of the line gear literally drops like rain over there, and the game suffers because of it.

Also, again, I have a char I min max, and I do so well, without needing to drop max currency and high end sellers like those you listed. I've aquired all kinda of high end stuff through trading, it just took patience to find the right trade and trader. Not everyone is going to sell you a decent gear piece for low currency, but occasionally they do. Not everyone sells Kongors for 2 ex, but I have one I bought for 2 ex. Not everyone sells a Voltaxic Rift for 4 ex, but I found that one guy who did.

Seriously, it all dwindles down to patience. If you are patient and steady, and willing to jump the gun when you do find that special deal, you can easily get good or godly gear without much incentive to find it.

I cant help you if you dont like trading, its part of the game, and will remain that way for long times to come. If you want to play self found, thats a special case and it comes with burdens you put on yourself. You cant expect them to raise drops for just a special few peole playing self found, and they certainly cant change the drop rate because a few self found players are disappointed with their drops. Either route would ruin the economy and make good gear useless and only godly gear would do, much like it is in D3.

D3 suffered because of no customization , they realised later on that they had to improve droprates they did - you know who complained ? traders and wah wah my economy youre one of these people.
a trader.
no offense , but you´re missing the whole point of this story which the thread is about.
you are FORCED into trading once you reach that point of 73-74-75maps IF you´vent been lucky
that is the whole point which the OP tried to get across since the beginning.
you are CONTENTBLOCKED by - bad droprates - bad lowlvluniques in highlvlmaps and dominus piety.
you´ve to go through 3 if not 4times more grind then d2 or d3 to actually do 77-78 maps and EVEN THEN the rewards are pathetic.

next person.
"All of you that complain want to be the best when you really don't want to put the time and effort into it"
thats a nice projection right there showing how youre belittleing people and not actually reading what theyre saying.
first off i dont know how to tell you this - endgame in PoE is an illusion thus people reroll and i would hardly call rerolling Hardcore or minmaxing its a path some choose in order to avoide the empty lootfest lategame.
im not a minmaxer ?
id say if i play one char strictly that one char im pretty much as minmaxing as you can get.
what good does it bring me to play some shitty gimplvl1 to 80 again when ive to completely regear that character ?
it does jackshit and all it does is hide the fact that maps are lackluster.

it´s not about me or others whining that we dont get 600-800pds 2h axes maces swords.
it´s about the fact that you´ve no motivation to farm so much to see a glimpse of these items when youre flooded with


there for some clarification , i see no appeal in doing the so called uberhardtoachieve pathetic endgame called maps when these are the drops i get most of the time.

this is literally my first char lvl84 and im doing 74-75 maps by now in a month.
ive nolifed a lot and im already losing interest , why ?
because i played enough korean grinders to know where its going.
you´re basically playing to hope for that ONE drop to reignite the flame , but because of the items listed above you realize sooner or later that the filler content is basically the same content you can do without entering it.

see i can get all of these from piety and dominus , all maps are about right now is to get ilvl78-80 white items for lotto yolo exalting.
and thats pretty sad for a game that advertises itself as a loothunting game.

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Zalm wrote:

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Deux wrote:

@ OP Stopped reading your post as soon as I realised you ddint know what you were talking about.

People leveled in d2 for Botting and PVP and to compete with ladder level.

But in d2, you didnt have to continusoly pay for content access to level.

In PoE you do. And IMHO thats the games single biggest flaw.

You dont have to pay for anything in this game. MTX are optional and completely unecessary to play the game.

You have to pay for maps to sustain a map pool.

You have to pay to roll said maps.

Not to mention at 85 anything less than a 75 Map is ASS BAD exp for me. Level in 10 maps doing 75s or level in 100 maps doing 70s, yeah dont think I need to say anymore.

in d2 I could simply go cows and gain XP without using currency that I otherwise owuld have used to craft/upgrade gear. Thus sucking A LOT of fun out of it for me.

And I know, because I had 99s in d2 and 90s here, and the amoutn of time/currency sink is rediculous to even hit 90 here.

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Baskerville wrote:

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Geertwilbert wrote:

Ehhh not really no, just want to have some decent gear drop now and then.

Honestly if a player hasn't found some decent gear now and then, then they're not playing PoE.

It's more complex, especially come the time for doing maps, never mind killing Dominus without dieing. It takes planning to the extent that PoE is far less of a dumbass game that D2 is. That last point could either by a good or bad thing, depending on how a person likes to game.

Post your best drops and how many hours you have played the game.

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Kechop wrote:

and thats pretty sad for a game that advertises itself as a loothunting game.

Loot hunt, not loot finding game. And honestly, sets and uniques dropped like rain in D2 as well, I ended up just selling them usually. At least they did after the LoD patch.

To be honest, you went on an epic tyrade and I didnt bother reading it. I got the general Idea out of it. Your sick of 'useless' gear dropping and you want alot more Shav's, Voltaxic, and Thunderfists to drop. Thats fine, then go out and go hunt for them.

If you dont like grinding for them to drop or the currency to buy them, why do you play ARPGs?

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Deux wrote:

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Zalm wrote:

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Deux wrote:

@ OP Stopped reading your post as soon as I realised you ddint know what you were talking about.

People leveled in d2 for Botting and PVP and to compete with ladder level.

But in d2, you didnt have to continusoly pay for content access to level.

In PoE you do. And IMHO thats the games single biggest flaw.

You dont have to pay for anything in this game. MTX are optional and completely unecessary to play the game.

You have to pay for maps to sustain a map pool.

You have to pay to roll said maps.

Not to mention at 85 anything less than a 75 Map is ASS BAD exp for me. Level in 10 maps doing 75s or level in 100 maps doing 70s, yeah dont think I need to say anymore.

in d2 I could simply go cows and gain XP without using currency that I otherwise owuld have used to craft/upgrade gear. Thus sucking A LOT of fun out of it for me.

And I know, because I had 99s in d2 and 90s here, and the amoutn of time/currency sink is rediculous to even hit 90 here.

Ok, you were talking in game currency, which again, you dont have to pay for. If you cant keep your own map pool up by simply doing maps, you must not be doing something right. I have tons of maps and everytime I do a map, I get like 2-3 more out of it. I have a stash tab nearly full of nothing but 70+ maps and I'm thinking of just merging them to 75+ maps to cut down on my space.

And as I said to someone else, if you dont like grinding, why do you play an ARPG?