Trading too tedious? OR Trading is OP?

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Novalisk wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

If people want easier entry into maps: changing trading or increasing drop rates or crafting or something is completely pointless because your just lowering the threshold of the "apex" or best way to obtain levels and special items in the game. (items that only drop in maps) in a way that doesn't involve you progressing TO maps.

People who can do maps will ALWAYS trade you pieces of gear that will allow you to do higher level maps cheaper then you could craft and find yourself, because simply they are generating infinite mounts of gear from doing said fun maps.

It definitely is not pointless. Lowering the threshold of entry reduces the dependency on trading, thus trading becomes a bonus instead of a necessity.

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majesw wrote:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/706896/page/1

This thread has a pretty sweet barrage build. There's also a CoC build for storm call that is pretty darn neat. You are the one here limiting the content for yourself. Yes, you may have to trade for the new uniques... If you are self found then once again you are limiting the content for yourself... I can only think of one batch of uniques that didn't inspire me to theory craft a new build in the past few releases.

I do agree that new quests and areas would be awesome, but to not count skills and uniques as content is confusing, even though you may not be interested in them :-/

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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nugstash wrote:

This is a serious problem is PoE when there is too much demand for orbs and high end stuffs.

This is when there should be higher drop rates!

Exalted are so scarce to find its made real money trading and sites that trade for forum gold blow up! Also has become defacto gold because of its domination in the market.

Not only is trading OP cause of these stringent rates, it's also the cause of the bots, spammers, real money trade, and the forum gold trade.

Stringency and scarcity cause famine, which in turn causes inspiration, creation, innovation and revolution; to sum it up the low rates are killing the honest players and rewarding the shady ones. The solo honest player is a target in this current environment.

However, I don't see the will to fix this, the people I know enjoy the rates and say it's good to have hard crafting, oh well I guess.

""I don't know it kinda sucks to sell stuff right now cause no one has the orbs to buy shit at "market prices", and it sucks to buy shit right now cause everything is so expensive. The only people who like this are botters rmt and spammers.""

I Agree 100%

There will a always be demand for orbs (orbs make high end stuff) and high end stuff.

Higher drop rates doesn't fix this because people who can't get to end game maps (from skill or time) would still have to buy/trade the better gear from the people who could already do end game maps. In which they'll sell said gear cheaper then what the person could find or trade themselves.

Even if every single boss gave you 5 exalts every single time you kill them once while progressing the game, your going to save 5 exalts to use on ilvl70+ items anyway which only drop in maps. Your not going to use it on your ilvl 20 ring which will never be as good.
RMT, botters and spammers exist in every game, 90% of high end gear in D2 was duped and the RMT trade was still massive.

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CassCE wrote:

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majesw wrote:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/706896/page/1

This thread has a pretty sweet barrage build. There's also a CoC build for storm call that is pretty darn neat. You are the one here limiting the content for yourself. Yes, you may have to trade for the new uniques... If you are self found then once again you are limiting the content for yourself... I can only think of one batch of uniques that didn't inspire me to theory craft a new build in the past few releases.

I do agree that new quests and areas would be awesome, but to not count skills and uniques as content is confusing, even though you may not be interested in them :-/

That's the thing with Barrage, it's just a trigger gem for CoC builds. Barrage isn't the build, CoC is. It would work almost as well using several other gems as the CoC trigger.

Yes I know I limit myself by not trading. I'd rather stab myself in the eye than deal with a trading system that's almost as bad as Diablo 1's. Only 17 years later.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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Novalisk wrote:

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RagnarokChu wrote:

If people want easier entry into maps: changing trading or increasing drop rates or crafting or something is completely pointless because your just lowering the threshold of the "apex" or best way to obtain levels and special items in the game. (items that only drop in maps) in a way that doesn't involve you progressing TO maps.

People who can do maps will ALWAYS trade you pieces of gear that will allow you to do higher level maps cheaper then you could craft and find yourself, because simply they are generating infinite mounts of gear from doing said fun maps.

It definitely is not pointless. Lowering the threshold of entry reduces the dependency on trading, thus trading becomes a bonus instead of a necessity.

Your missing the point though, I didn't say lowering the threshold of entry is a bad thing. I said doing it in the exact way of just buffing drop rates or something similar is counter productive because it just makes trading more profitable.

Which is what I said earlier, when Act 4 comes out. It gives players an ENTIRE new act worth of items and levels and possibly on better average gear before they start doing maps. On top of that allow the company to craft more end game content out of when players do actually start maps.

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Please explain how increasing the drop rate of maps is a buff to trading.

And act 4 is a long time away.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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Please explain how increasing the drop rate of maps is a buff to trading.

And act 4 is a long time away.

You cannot do maps.

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I can do maps and get much better on items on average or possibility better items.

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You buff drop rates on your inferior gear that nobody else wants.

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I get buff drop rates on stuff people wants, I have more of it and I sell it to you for less.

You can now buy better stuff for less.

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If I could not reach maps on my own naturally, I've even more incentive to buy gear from trading then find it myself.

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Other example.

It does not matter if everyone get 10 exalts by the end of merc because you still trade away your exalts or use the exalts for yourself in ilvl+70 items that can roll the best stats. If you feel that your own shit isn't as good enough because of trading and that you can't get to the best items in the game, then having more of something that someone else can use better means that 1 exalt or 10 exalt would have the same mental effect.