boring :S

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DaveSW wrote:

The entire reason some people want a self found league is because they want all the best items without having to trade for them.

You aren't entitled to the best items in the game. You aren't going to get every unique. You aren't going to be guaranteed a 6-link.

If you hate social interaction, don't trade. If you hate the drop rates of items, increase your IIR and IIQ.

nailed it. It's the real reason they all want it. They want easy mode drop rate increase. It has nothing to do with "self found" aspect. If they truly wanted to play self found they'd already be doing it in an existing league. Nothing stopping them.

Only total morons would think that a balanced SFL would be "easier" than the trade simulator we have now.

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Mahesys wrote:

Hey hooligan, we DO understand the situation; and the situation is that majority of "SFL" propaganda players wants better drops to deal with the "lack of trading".

Still waiting to hear whats wrong with that other than lies and exaggeration from people pretending that being able to trade for anything is somehow easier than only getting gear from drops.

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Mahesys wrote:

This, other than going against GGG basic mindset about leagues (they can't be easier than standard ones, improving drop rates = easier) it's a punch in the face to actual REAL SF players hanging from Nemesis to Standard.

And your still completely ignoring everyone who wants a SFL that would NOT be easier than what we have now.

If you take out trading then you can improve the drop rates without the game becoming easier. That is common sense.

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DestroTheGod wrote:

It does. Because when I view the front page of the forum I see hundreds of threads cluttering it with absolute gibberish like petitions for the self-found league that is never going to happen. Getting rid of 1 thread that is 100% clutter and could easily be consolidated into more relevant threads is progress. So, you're wrong. It does effect me. It's spamming up my view of the forums.

lol thats the funniest excuse i've heard yet. One SFL thread is cluttering the forums! Oh no, your experience is so shattered by this thread. Poor you.

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Your comprehension and logic are terribly flawed, as demonstrated above. Please never quote me again.

You and the others who spend time bashing this league idea are the ones with bad logic.

I'm leveling a claw Duelist. From level 30-40, I counted exactly 1 rare claw drop and that claw was something like 12 levels under my current level (and its affixes were crap anyway). I'm still wearing a few pieces of gear that I had before level 20 (and it might be worse if it weren't for 2 low level uniques I am using from another character).

This is why I want a SFL. For me, POE wins by ARPG default, but if another one came along with depth that was at least somewhat friendly to people who don't want to play stock market or have insane amounts of time on their hands, I'd probably never be back here. I don't think I'm alone.

I don't think most SFL people are asking to be able to find hordes of uniques, but the orb and rare/unique equipment drop rates in this game are horrendous (especially considering armor is fragmented in 6 parts in this game)

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BigSurf wrote:

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DaveSW wrote:

The entire reason some people want a self found league is because they want all the best items without having to trade for them.

nailed it. It's the real reason they all want it.

Yes those sneaky bastards! Some of them are even playing it now, having really tough time and game 3x more difficult but it must be a part of their "great scheme"!

Luckily we have you two to unveil their cunning plan! lol

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Xantaria wrote:

who cares

You do

I'm ok with sf (league or whatever)

Are there enough self found orb drops to properly craft in current leagues?
That answer must be a resounding NO.

Self found is more than just finding the gear that fits your spec it's also about using 'currency' for its created purpose to create the item(s) you want to try to create.

Again, I don't get how anyone thinks that would turn into easy mode. Crafting/finding great items is and always will be hard. SFL doesn't mean instant 6 links. In current leagues only that latter is possible with a self found player.

For those against, don't play in that league. It in ZERO way affects you.

I would like the option for players to not trade within the same league as players who do trade, with the trade off of receiving better drops. Their drops could be bound to their player so they couldn't game the system to give other traders better drops. This would require a change to the way MF works in particular the last hit would have to apply individually to everyone rather than the player who gets the last hit.

A SFL would be cool too but I'd rather there not be another major league to further divide the players. We're already spread between standard, hardcore, domination, nemesis and races.

QQ they have already done this in races. Some are weeks long. Play those.