boring :S

How can botters have WAY WAY MORE orbs then solo in SLF?
ALL DROP! will be PA and YOU CANT TRADE AT ALL IN ANY WAY, so all orbs will be PERMANENT in twinks stash and THERES NO WAY TO GIVE SOMEONE!
And guys who solo and botters will have same amoun orbs, same! Its just hes twinks will have orbs, but botters BANNABLE! And if we belive GGG they do plantly fast ban for botting.
That mean bottets CANT fast farm TONS orbs and fast sell, so fast that GGG dont find them.

ALL LOOT/ORBS/etc WILL BE PA ONLY!

And when partying your loot share with all, that mean you will get LESS then solo (yes, inc when full MF culling). If you solo MF culling you get all, when partying your drop inc, BUT SHARED with all. And you cant take other bots items/orbs/etc.


Sell accs? But it can be done now, and maybe doing plently (i dont know about it, never hear). So whats problem? WHEN LEAGUE WITH INCREASED AND MORE DROPS DONE - FULL WIPE ONLY FOR THAT LEAGUE! No flipers and all fair.

+1 for SFL with 30000% more drop.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

So instead of just not trading you want an entire new league just so you can pretend you're better at the game?

People who say this are either trolling or extremely ignorant.

Ya, people who would rather play the game all day without trading are IMO "better" at the game. Flippers are not better at the game, they are more dedicated to trading which is the easiest and best way to gain everything you want in the game.

I am still astounded at all of the hate and hyperbole being leveled at the idea of getting rid of flippers and trading all together so that people who want to just focus on the game can do so in a league that is built for it and not this trading wall street simulator that we have now.

would love self found.

Increased orb drops, vendor recipes and heck just more orbs at the vendors (just for SFL) to make up for lack of trading.

League either doesn't end or if it must (4 months leagues ugh) then all characters get erased Not dumped into standard.

Imagine the items and orbs in the game actually being USED and not just horded?

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DaveSW wrote:

The entire reason some people want a self found league is because they want all the best items without having to trade for them.

You aren't entitled to the best items in the game. You aren't going to get every unique. You aren't going to be guaranteed a 6-link.

The above comments are exactly why people who don't understand the situation shouldn't comment at all because you just look ridiculous. Your either making strawman arguments or stating the obvious.

Wanting the best items? If that was the case wouldn't you just stay in the current league and farm orbs or flip stuff? You could get exactly what you want far faster than any actual SFL where you have to just have to rely on drops.

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DestroTheGod wrote:

They've given their reasons against it, and I'm confident it will never happen.

People keep saying that and yet they still spend a bunch of time in here arguing over like their afraid it will happen or something. Just let people ask for what they want to ask for, it doesn't affect you.

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iamstryker wrote:

The above comments are exactly why people who don't understand the situation shouldn't comment at all because you just look ridiculous. Your either making strawman arguments or stating the obvious.

Wanting the best items? If that was the case wouldn't you just stay in the current league and farm orbs or flip stuff? You could get exactly what you want far faster than any actual SFL where you have to just have to rely on drops.

People keep saying that and yet they still spend a bunch of time in here arguing over like their afraid it will happen or something. Just let people ask for what they want to ask for, it doesn't affect you.

Hey hooligan, we DO understand the situation; and the situation is that majority of "SFL" propaganda players wants better drops to deal with the "lack of trading".

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TreeOfDead wrote:

+1 for SFL with 30000% more drop.

or

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Madcow1120 wrote:

would love self found.

Increased orb drops, vendor recipes and heck just more orbs at the vendors (just for SFL) to make up for lack of trading.

This, other than going against GGG basic mindset about leagues (they can't be easier than standard ones, improving drop rates = easier) it's a punch in the face to actual REAL SF players hanging from Nemesis to Standard.

ive got to admit...


a SFL league would be pretty interesting...would be very curious to see this in a shorter format...say a 1-2 month league...

biggest hurdle would be...how to drop items in party?

that could be a form of trading and you would need to figure a way to prevent that from happening...

maybe making it so that, if an item is dropped...only the player who dropped can pick up.


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SFL but i wouldnt mess with the drop rate..id say, leave it as is.

whats the point in increasing it?

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eebertay wrote:

ive got to admit...


a SFL league would be pretty interesting...would be very curious to see this in a shorter format...say a 1-2 month league...

biggest hurdle would be...how to drop items in party?

that could be a form of trading and you would need to figure a way to prevent that from happening...

maybe making it so that, if an item is dropped...only the player who dropped can pick up.


...

SFL but i wouldnt mess with the drop rate..id say, leave it as is.

whats the point in increasing it?

Dropping items would be disabled and work much like in town.keep it or destroy it or vendor it.

I guess

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Mahesys wrote:

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Madcow1120 wrote:

would love self found.

Increased orb drops, vendor recipes and heck just more orbs at the vendors (just for SFL) to make up for lack of trading.

This, other than going against GGG basic mindset about leagues (they can't be easier than standard ones, improving drop rates = easier) it's a punch in the face to actual REAL SF players hanging from Nemesis to Standard.

You clearly don't see big picture. You're looking at one aspect without applying proper context.
Increased drops (which they do in some races) would make up for the lack of trading. If you don't do that then it would be easy to hit the wall which in ALL other leagues is generally overcome by trading and that is something GGG would not want. They want players to feel progression.
Also, don't over emphasize that thought. I imagine many read that and think 'increased drops = exalt every day'. No. It just means that people can find or trade up orbs a little easier.

Another incorrect mindset that people seem to have about what increased drops means is they still look at it as currency. In a SFL there is no such thing it only helps with crafting. Keep the linking and crafting system the same but because you can't turn over items and orbs you need to make up for that by slightly increasing drops and/or vendor assistance.

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Mahesys wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

The above comments are exactly why people who don't understand the situation shouldn't comment at all because you just look ridiculous. Your either making strawman arguments or stating the obvious.

Wanting the best items? If that was the case wouldn't you just stay in the current league and farm orbs or flip stuff? You could get exactly what you want far faster than any actual SFL where you have to just have to rely on drops.

People keep saying that and yet they still spend a bunch of time in here arguing over like their afraid it will happen or something. Just let people ask for what they want to ask for, it doesn't affect you.

Hey hooligan, we DO understand the situation; and the situation is that majority of "SFL" propaganda players wants better drops to deal with the "lack of trading".

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TreeOfDead wrote:

+1 for SFL with 30000% more drop.

or

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Madcow1120 wrote:

would love self found.

Increased orb drops, vendor recipes and heck just more orbs at the vendors (just for SFL) to make up for lack of trading.

This, other than going against GGG basic mindset about leagues (they can't be easier than standard ones, improving drop rates = easier) it's a punch in the face to actual REAL SF players hanging from Nemesis to Standard.

Dude people have been telling him this for awhile now he refuses to aknowledge it even the slightest bit. He's become something akin to a fundelmentalist. Refusing to see problems with his point of view or ideas because the idea is actually become more important than any rral world implecations so he sticks with the version that he thinks is hardest to argue against even though he stands alone in that regard he has convinced himself his own propaghanda is true. You won't be able to reason with someone like him so don't even try to attempt it.

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iamstryker wrote:

[...] Just let people ask for what they want to ask for

You're telling me to do something that I already said I'm going to do. This entire part of your post is no more than spam. You could post that the sky is blue and it would be as useful as this part of your post.

Proof that I've already said people can do this: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/706367/page/11#p6131472

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DestroTheGod wrote:

Riot all day. I can't/won't stop you. It's your time to waste, not mine.

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iamstryker wrote:

, it doesn't affect you.

It does. Because when I view the front page of the forum I see hundreds of threads cluttering it with absolute gibberish like petitions for the self-found league that is never going to happen. Getting rid of 1 thread that is 100% clutter and could easily be consolidated into more relevant threads is progress. So, you're wrong. It does effect me. It's spamming up my view of the forums.

Conclusion

Your comprehension and logic are terribly flawed, as demonstrated above. Please never quote me again.

Regards,
DestroTheGod