Path of life nodes

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randomalias wrote:

Nobody has explained why stacking resists or life or defense is necessarily a bad thing.

If there are no defense nodes then there is no choice whatsoever, you pick a build and the best damage nodes to go with it.

In terms of resistances, a lack of hard caps and break points in D3 was one of the reasons I played it for perhaps a 10th the time of D2. Balancing builds around caps is a lot more engaging than simply stacking a single stat to infinity.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

MoM is something I'm currently experimenting with. Should be better than pure hp nodes

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dyneol wrote:

Yes, necroed - because OP's point is still valid. I complained about this since beta. There is just too much life on the tree which forces devs to dish out ridiculous amounts of damage so that even the tankiest marauder cannot face-roll everything. Regeneration scales too well as well. GGG basically needs to balance late-game difficulty around the guy with 12.5%(cap) or lets say 10% life regen - full life in 10 seconds. You can make a similar point about life leech. And then those two can be combined. Simply stupid.

I maintain the stance that life nodes should be far and few between. It needs to be way harder to come by. Life regen nodes should only increase the amount of regen you already got from items so that you actually have to gear for it. This would also make flat regen items useful as a nice side-effect.

I don't get how and why so many people don't get that increasing returns (as opposed to diminishing returns) with an ultimate cap is not a good idea. This does not only apply to resistances but to block and spell block as well. Block is therefore almost just as mandatory as capped resistances when you play HC.

Bad design is bad design.

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Outsider1 wrote:

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dyneol wrote:

Yes, necroed - because OP's point is still valid. I complained about this since beta. There is just too much life on the tree which forces devs to dish out ridiculous amounts of damage so that even the tankiest marauder cannot face-roll everything. Regeneration scales too well as well. GGG basically needs to balance late-game difficulty around the guy with 12.5%(cap) or lets say 10% life regen - full life in 10 seconds. You can make a similar point about life leech. And then those two can be combined. Simply stupid.

I maintain the stance that life nodes should be far and few between. It needs to be way harder to come by. Life regen nodes should only increase the amount of regen you already got from items so that you actually have to gear for it. This would also make flat regen items useful as a nice side-effect.

I don't get how and why so many people don't get that increasing returns (as opposed to diminishing returns) with an ultimate cap is not a good idea. This does not only apply to resistances but to block and spell block as well. Block is therefore almost just as mandatory as capped resistances when you play HC.

Bad design is bad design.

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symban wrote:

Want to rant here as well. PoE messed up by making evasion/armor with diminishing return, but not doing something about life and of course block.

M&M series (25 year ols RPG game) knew better than modern PoE.
In M&M each class has a base life and flat life gain per lvl.
After that you can increase your life by increasing endurance stat which makes %increase to your base life. Also endurance gain has very significant diminishing return. First 40~ endurance makes a big difference, but an additional 50 over your 150 wont move total hp much.
Also there were item mods with +flat life which was not effected by endurance bonus.

It was a well done balanced system. You could focus on life for extra survival. But you could not double your base life even if you focused life like a mofo.

In PoE I can tenfold increase my base life at lvl80.. Just seriously WTF?! Of course they can not balance the game like that.