Default league price madness

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xahanort wrote:

Dumb? Dumb is playing standard and wasting your time, when hundreds of people will have way more currency than you, and will make money out of everything you find. Creating a new character every 4 months is less of a waste than playing crap-ard

Believe it or not other people have different tastes and opinions that you do. Your not the sun, the universe does not revolve around you. Starting a character from scratch every 4 months does not appeal to me at all and sounds like a waste of time to me personally. I'm glad its there for people who enjoy it but don't call what I do a waste of time because we are all here in this video game wasting time together.

I don't care if other people have more currency, I care about my own entertainment playing a video game.

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T_Reich wrote:

If I could punch Xahanort in the teeth, I would.

Hands off my chars and the only Permanent league in this game! I haven't spent lots of time and effort into them just to lose them all because some [expletives removed] think Standard leauge is crap and keep foul-mouthing it.

Go ahead, punch me. Doesnt make standard or even hardcore less crap. Losing your character every 4 months is a small price to pay so that you can play in a good economy, without all the thrash that exists in standard/hardcore.

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Asmosis wrote:

want to know what happens when currency devalues completely? people use it to create awesome items and the whole thing resets to a stable point again. win/win.

THIS!

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zamraii wrote:

Almost none of the posts suggested any possible solution, as having MONSTROUS inflation was something usual in any permanent type of gameplay. But there are many stable econimies (look at some mmo's) where prices do not rise endlessly. Why PoE can't have stable economy or what GGG can do to prevent inflation?

Oh, we want real solutions here, do we?
OK, here are some solutions to problem:
1. Fix legacy items. Legacy items' properties should be changed to fit new brackets automatically (so 966% Facebreaker with become 766% Facebreaker, etc). Most legacy itemsare out of balance. For example, old Kaom's heart (+1000 life) was designed assuming life nodes gave +6% life each, and now they give +8% each, that's why Kaom's heart was nerfed (to 500 life), and, of course, old Kaom's heart is OP now. Since Legacy items are OP and cant be gained anymore, price on them grows up drastically, and will grow, and grow, and GROW in future without any bounds.
2. Improve balance between builds and items. Currenly, some items with few good and rare mods cost way more than others, just because they're used for ass-kicking build.
3. Revise trade completely. IN it's current state trade chat just forces any sane player to turn it off and use 3-rd party software (like PoE.xyz.is). I dont understant, why interface, provided by those indexers, cant be implemented as a feature of www.pathofexile.com (like talent tree calculator)? I'm sure it isnt very complex to perform. And, of course, trade chat should be either completely removed, or only a limited number of messages over certain period should be available from single account. Noticeboard also could be extended with a trade part, suitable for those who are looking for not very common deals...

However, read previous quote. The fact that currency could be used to create endgame badass rares DOES NOT allow currency to inflate indefinetely.

Some of the guys here are indeed right, standard is just a trashcan league and therefore useless in the long term.

The reason is kinda simple.

Arpgs just like poe are all about trading loot, I know selffound players dont want to hear that but it is the way it is, they have to deal with the reality. All you will do is farm items so you can either wear them or just trade them for better gear. This is basicly your main thing besides killing stuff. Diablo 2 was all about that, and it was great. Learning the economy, the prices, knowing when certain things will become cheap/expensive, reacting to the market, its all a huge part of the game. (Diablo 3 fucked that up with having the ah. They knew that, thats why the removed it.)

In standard some part of trading is already fucked up, you cant trade mediocre rares, certain orbs or certain uniques anymore. You are more or less limited to highend stuff, this makes the whole trading experience kind of dull, the economy for example wont really change anymore. It ended up in a inflated state where everything has a fix exalted pricetag to it, its just that ex inflates over the time becouse more and more are getting found. I bet most of the standard players only pick up certain rares and only so they can sell them for alterations shards, most gave up on finding good rares which they could sell.

That shit is all different in a fresh new league, there are other rules. Different items are popular, not just the high end stuff.

I just dont understand people who play standard, so far I played about 4weeks of the current domination league and imho it is over, so Iam already waiting for the new leagues. I dont want to know how extremly shitty it must be in the current standard league which runs now for nearly 8months or something like that.

Just my opinion.

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Toki213 wrote:

Just my opinion.

Sorry, but from my own experience, you arent right there.
Cheap decent items (1-2 chaos worth) still can be sold, IF you dont overcharge potential customers. And pretty same items are worth approximately the same in Domination league (I play both leagues ATM). Prices for high-end items are even higher in Domination, and most high-end items are nonexistant for fair price yet. Note as well, that in Domination, there are no IQ gems and IQ rolls on rares, so farming is harder = gaining good items is harder. The only items that are relatively cheap there, are new league-exclusive items (in Standart they can be gained only through death of Nemesis character).

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Cheap decent items (1-2 chaos worth) still can be sold.

If you want to spend tons of time trying to find a buyer instead of actual playing the game. Then you just need to sell hundreds of items like this to afford some decent uniques.

The gap in price between good uniques and everything else is insane and it keeps getting worse. Now you need 600+ chaos to buy nerfed Kaom's. In few weeks this will be 800 and more. I don't even mention some legacy items because there it goes absolutely ridiculous. GG.

I will propably play this game for years, come and go, solo and self-found mostly. I am also a pack rat and like to have lots of stuff. If GGG ever decides to kill off Standard - and they are definetely not that cruel or stupid - I have no reason to play any longer.

For traders and groupies 4-months leagues are great, for the likes of me pretty much pointless.

I know it's real edgy to talk about Standard as trashcan, but seriously, you are not that stupid to think GGG will just rip out the base their house is build upon, are you?

the only way to enjoy standard is playing selffound.

OP is quite wrong...
Prices have been dropping or holding on standard...
The newish two hander dual wield unique used to run 8-10 ex. Now I see it for 4.
Lionseyes that aren't linked have also gone down.

Saw a legacy Kaoms go for 92 ex last night. Hadn't seen one for cheaper than 100.

and I basically sit and watch trade chat for a few hours each night...

I was once interested in buying one of the Berek Rings for my character, after yet again realising my chances of looting/chancing it are nil.
the first thing I noticed, is the price for it in Standard was insane compared to the price on Nemesis - which is weird, considering one can exploit PoE Hardcore not being Hardcore, and just RIP a throw-away character to Standard with that ring.

that's the whole point: the combination of people's insatiable greed and the fact PoE hardcore isn't hardcore, plus an unhealthy dose of RMT - make Standard League a true "throwaway league".

if you want to play SC and play the trading game - play Domination.