Default league price madness

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ResidentHippy wrote:

Madness?.........THIS IS STANDARD!!! ....kicked in the pit.....

You made my day! :D :D :D

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T_Reich wrote:

If I could punch Xahanort in the teeth, I would.

Then you should try anger management.

On topic, I belong to the fraction of casual gamers who just want to have fun bashing monsters in their little free time. Gaming is only one of many possible leisure activities and in constant competition with them, so I am happy to play a unending league I can return to whenever I like and have the time to. I play mostly selffound and group all but only with friends from my offline life, so the in-game economy means little to nothing to me. If I wanted to play a business simulation, there are many better ones as an arpg.

So, people are different (surprise!) and I don't see the problem some PoE players have with the standard league, since there are other leagues they can play instead.

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True_Apathy wrote:

Did I like offend you or something DOT DOT DOT haha sorry last time I went back there kids tried to do 15 GCP's

Shit bet you that this thing right here is like probably still 100+++ exalted + your arm and a leg hahaha fucking awful economy.

It's interesting that your post supports the concept of a healthy economy where goods have value yet you describe it as awful.

Elaborate while I fuck around on my standard char waiting for your response :3

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zamraii wrote:

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Cheap decent items (1-2 chaos worth) still can be sold.

If you want to spend tons of time trying to find a buyer instead of actual playing the game. Then you just need to sell hundreds of items like this to afford some decent uniques.

The gap in price between good uniques and everything else is insane and it keeps getting worse. Now you need 600+ chaos to buy nerfed Kaom's. In few weeks this will be 800 and more. I don't even mention some legacy items because there it goes absolutely ridiculous. GG.

Yeah, for endgame players finding an item worth of 1-2 chaos for 1-2 chaos usually isnt worth time. But for leveling player, whose whole wealth is less than 15 chaos, it will be worth some time spent finding proper leveling items (without fanaticism). Endgame players will buy more expensive items usually.
You claim there is a gap between good uniques and everything else? Well, yes, it is, for certain builds. But no one forces you to play those, there are builds viable without ANY unique. Furthermore, some of those builds are among the most powerful builds in the game, and they dont use uniques! As we both know, rares do NOT have a brickwall in your progress. And my own opinion - build that is based on uniques with insane costs, is a bad-desighned build. My own build uses no uniques (except Goldwyrm, which can easily be replaced with rare).
Legacy items are the only thing that requires fixing here. They're OP, that's why their new values are lower. That's why existing legacy items should be remade to fit new brackets.

People usually claim that they rightfully owned those before so nerfing existing items will be a dick move. Well, wasnt it a dick move to nerf elemental cleave (making elemental damage fast swords 2-3 times less usable)? Wasnt it a dick move nerfing Righteous Fire (turning most RF builds useless)? Wasnt it a dick move remaking whole passive tree, making certain builds obsolete? It WASNT, because all those things were OP, and they get righteous nerf. So legacy uniques also should feel the hit of righteous nerfhammer.

BTW, prices for endgame uniques skyrocketed because these uniques became high-lvl map drop only (effective reduce to drop rate). I think it was a wrong move because one can loot a Mirror everywhere, but cannot loot BoR from mobs that can drop its base? WTF?

map only uniques was the biggest mistake done by GGG so far.

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Malone wrote:

map only uniques was the biggest mistake done by GGG so far.

You mean besides OP legacies.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Malone wrote:

map only uniques was the biggest mistake done by GGG so far.

You mean besides OP legacies.

The map only uniques is far more annoying to me since they are gated behind map RNG...
I don't really care about legacy uniques. But I do see how they are offensive to some...

I think they should do this:

Develop a "Test League". This would be what the 4 months are basically..testing leagues but much better with respec options more lienient. For example you would get a repec at the addition of the new passives that were introduced with 1.03.

This will allow GGG the luxury of pushing these patches out FIRST to the "Test Leagues" at the rate they are trying to keep up with AND have time to work the imminent bugs that are being introduced with patches which in direct relation with the speed at which they are pushing out content.
“Test Leagues” will allow GGG the luxury of having proper testing time that they do not have now as well as a much more broad test base.
This is basically what is happening now except for the fact that player expectation is much different because these issues are being released to “Live” realms.

To incorporate some sort of resemblance to the 4 month leagues GGG could implement a transfer of characters to a NEW default league which I’ll go into below.

Only the character can be transferred. No gear or currency can be introduced to the New Default League which would minimize or eliminate inflation in New Default League (NDL).

Introduce a new permanent NDL.

Players with characters at X lvl can transfer character on the current standard league to the NDL for a limited time after the introduction of the NDL.
No currency from standard can be transferred to NDL.
Players can transfer currently equipped gear to the NDL. Transferred gear becomes account bound and can not be sold, traded or vendored to possibly eliminate the use of Vendor recipes.
This would eliminate immediate inflation to the new economy.

No Legacy Uniques can be transferred to NDL.
Characters transferred to the NDL would have all passives and Bandits Rewards reset.</UL>
Items listed in 3 COULD be applied to characters transferred to NDL possibly. This would be need to investigated and vetted by GGG.
Current Standard league would remain unchanged. However GGG needs to manage players expectations of it’s priority and they paradigm would shift to the NDL. Rename it to Legacy which truly describes what it is.


These are some ideas just thrown out there. Obviously these are drastic changes and most likely won’t even be considered however some semblance of these ideas and thought processes could go along way the help some of the current issues plaguing path release, quality, inflation and economic downfall of standard and the ghost town of HC league. These could be applied to the HC versions as well.

PVP would have to have a stringent matchmaking system that compares gear levels due to transfer possibilities. Anyway flame away but things like this could help GGG in multiple ways and bring player expectations in line with GGG’s goals and Chris’s mission and commitment to quick content introduction.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Mythicpoe wrote:

My two cents?
They need to delete standard league altogether.

Its a good thing neither of us are devs because IMO 4 month leagues are pointless. Get rid of them and put in a permanent self found league.

F THAT! THis game would be dead without the 4 month leagues, you should be glad!

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Knightmare101 wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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Mythicpoe wrote:

My two cents?
They need to delete standard league altogether.

Its a good thing neither of us are devs because IMO 4 month leagues are pointless. Get rid of them and put in a permanent self found league.

F THAT! THis game would be dead without the 4 month leagues, you should be glad!

Shit I'd probably be in D3 lol or even D2 fucking farming pindle