Path of Exile 1 Gameplay Help and Discussion - Haste aura is grossly underpowered - Forum

" kamil1210 wrote: " CantripN wrote: You're forgetting that even as Solo you can run 4-5 Auras, easy, now. I run Clarity / Grace / Hatred / Haste. I can add Purity if I run Clarity on Life (for Elem. Weakness maps, maybe). how? i run 4 too with my ele wander, with EB i now have 600 out of 3.6k mana left basically i get past every aura node in the top side of the tree, so i end with about 70% increased aura effect for group and about 90% for myself, which makes me consider trying haste when i get an alpha howl, because 30% as/cast speed, 17% movespeed sounds pretty nice for grouping Last edited by always2late#3753 on Nov 20, 2013, 6:35:57 PM	Posted by always2late#3753 on Nov 20, 2013, 6:35:31 PM Quote this Post
Vitality is awful. 40% mana for 1.65% life regen? It only takes about 4 nodes to get equal life regen from passives not to mention you free up a precious gem socket for codt. I have 8000 life but its irrelevant because i could just take heart of the heart and .4 life regen for more net gain! Haste has the same issue, the same investment into other passives will net more DPS than the aura itself except basically TWO builds. Before, auras were OP because they were a guaranteed gain with no passive investment and codt didnt exist. now? theres no reason to pick up purity , haste, vitality because you can do more with the same amount of passives. I would be really disappointed if these 3 auras were not directly buffed or at least reworked to have a better place in the other than for lolscion aura builds. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214	Posted by Nephalim#2731 on Nov 20, 2013, 6:59:46 PM Quote this Post
" LazerTechnoBuddha wrote: " SmilingCat wrote: " ultrahiangle wrote: determination is amazing. it gives MORE armor. Doesn't countradict my numbers. Grace gives more armor with IR up to 4k base. 4k base is awfully high. wrong, you dont need 4k base you just need 4k (% increased still scale with determination), which make it far easier to obtain and for endgame pretty much always the better choice between grace and determination for armour (with ir offcourse) grace is only better with shitty gear and no % inc. armour (or % inc. eva with ir) guess my point is, determination is one of the best yet most undervalued auras especially compared to grace vitality is nice for summoners (but still not quite there for its cost even for summoners) its absolutely useless for pretty much everyone else haste is also bad for the investment, and even though its slightly better for casters its still not good enough to ever want instead of a defensive aura IMO %s also scale grace.	Posted by BGSacho#5858 on Nov 20, 2013, 7:28:12 PM Quote this Post
" Nephalim wrote: Vitality is awful. 40% mana for 1.65% life regen? It only takes about 4 nodes to get equal life regen from passives not to mention you free up a precious gem socket for codt. I have 8000 life but its irrelevant because i could just take heart of the heart and .4 life regen for more net gain! Haste has the same issue, the same investment into other passives will net more DPS than the aura itself except basically TWO builds. Before, auras were OP because they were a guaranteed gain with no passive investment and codt didnt exist. now? theres no reason to pick up purity , haste, vitality because you can do more with the same amount of passives. I would be really disappointed if these 3 auras were not directly buffed or at least reworked to have a better place in the other than for lolscion aura builds. Vitality hasn't changed. It's still great for summoners. It might be in need of some kind of buff(e.g. MORE life regen instead of increased)	Posted by BGSacho#5858 on Nov 20, 2013, 7:29:31 PM Quote this Post
The devs think the players massively undervalue movespeed. To them, with the movespeed, haste is fine.	Posted by aimlessgun#1443 on Nov 20, 2013, 7:35:40 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Spysong192 wrote: Imagine there were no att/cast speed passives, mods on items or frenzy. Haste aura would be godly good. But since we all have this haste aura makes no sense. I think haste should give 'more' instead of 'increased' cspd/aspd/mspd. That way it would be a good aura for the people that want to specialise in the benefits that haste gives, instead of a crap aura for those people like it is currently. " aimlessgun wrote: The devs think the players massively undervalue movespeed. To them, with the movespeed, haste is fine. They should rename 'movement speed' to 'desync speed', then the developers might start to understand why the players don't agree with them. In a race, sure, movespeed is amazing, but otherwise it just increases how far you can travel before you get rubberbanded. ;) Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756 Last edited by dudiobugtron#4663 on Nov 20, 2013, 7:54:20 PM	Posted by dudiobugtron#4663 on Nov 20, 2013, 7:46:05 PM Quote this Post
" aimlessgun wrote: The devs think the players massively undervalue movespeed. To them, with the movespeed, haste is fine. its not really enough to justify the cost, i mean no one uses passive points into movespeed. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214	Posted by Nephalim#2731 on Nov 20, 2013, 8:19:40 PM Quote this Post
" Nephalim wrote: " aimlessgun wrote: The devs think the players massively undervalue movespeed. To them, with the movespeed, haste is fine. its not really enough to justify the cost, i mean no one uses passive points into movespeed. For reavers, they don't have any other choice for movement. Unfortunely due to the gigantic nerfs to cwdt, they are unplayable now in the league that matters: Nemesis. 4-5% movement speed is worth 1 node for all characters except leap slammers and whirling bladers. This message was delivered by GGG defence force. Last edited by mazul#2568 on Nov 20, 2013, 8:22:23 PM	Posted by mazul#2568 on Nov 20, 2013, 8:22:04 PM Quote this Post
" BGSacho wrote: " LazerTechnoBuddha wrote: " SmilingCat wrote: Doesn't countradict my numbers. Grace gives more armor with IR up to 4k base. 4k base is awfully high. wrong, you dont need 4k base you just need 4k (% increased still scale with determination), which make it far easier to obtain and for endgame pretty much always the better choice between grace and determination for armour (with ir offcourse) grace is only better with shitty gear and no % inc. armour (or % inc. eva with ir) guess my point is, determination is one of the best yet most undervalued auras especially compared to grace vitality is nice for summoners (but still not quite there for its cost even for summoners) its absolutely useless for pretty much everyone else haste is also bad for the investment, and even though its slightly better for casters its still not good enough to ever want instead of a defensive aura IMO %s also scale grace. didnt think of that... you guys are right offcourse sorry still stand by determination though, with jades and granites it will give alot ign HC: Arnold_Schwarzeneger ign Nemesis: Svamp_i_fugen	Posted by LazerTechnoBuddha#1580 on Nov 20, 2013, 8:44:26 PM Quote this Post
Honestly Auras are mostly based on Situation. If I don't feel threated by the enemies, why should I run a defensive aura? In that case I run Offensive Auras, which are normally Wrath, Hatred, Anger and Haste. With Alpha-Howl and Wrath and Anger you can reach great Elemental Damage just by using Quill Rain and Auto-Attacks... (well... "great" for auto-attacks). If one of my auras need to be defensive I can easily switch. There aren't that many Auras in the game that it is impossible to carry them with you. So I basically like Haste because it is a 4th. dps-Aura and the only one for casters. With the increased Aura-Effect the move-speed is also noticable. I also like Vitality. Not only is it great for summoners (and propably must have) it also adds nicely to other sources of regeneration.	Posted by Emphasy#0545 on Nov 20, 2013, 8:56:53 PM Quote this Post