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To add my own 2 cents, I really like POE, and I'd love to play it with my wife. She's tried, but being FORCED to look at 2 sexualized slave girls chained to her health and mana bar makes her feel uncomfortable.
A society of you-know-what... "Oh no I'm feeling uncomfatable.... nianiania... You cannot make this joke, you cannot say that, you cannot, you cannot..."
Damnit, this has to stop ! The problem is not POE, the problem is commercials for chocolate-dessert with a 20 yrs old brunette having an orgasm while eating a large-scale poison filled with chemical taste.
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Posted byZemel#0598on Dec 10, 2013, 2:54:28 AM
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The Health and Mana globe sculptures are not engaged in any kind of sex act and their faces and genital areas are shrouded by clothing and hair, rendering them anonymous works of art. These statues are not explicitly sexuallized, they are depicted as bound in chains, a theme that is highly representative of the game's advertised content. If that's something that suggests "hot naked bodies" to you, then feel free to enjoy your private fantasy, but recognize that your subjective interpretation is far from universal.
It doesn't matter that the irony went, whoosh, right over your head, but seriously? You think "sexualized" is a synonym for pornographic? And the depiction of an attractive, young, naked female chained to a globe is not a sexualization? Or how do you mean?
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Posted byJojas#5551on Dec 10, 2013, 3:03:39 AM
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You think "sexualized" is a synonym for pornographic? And the depiction of an attractive, young, naked female chained to a globe is not a sexualization? Or how do you mean?
Human bondage is an expression of power and domination, not sexuality. The imagery in PoE is violent and gruesome rather than carnal and pornographic. The game depicts all types of people, both male and female, as victims of violent assaults, but there are no depictions of rape or sexual torture.
In your eyes, however, when artistic depictions of those victims resemble (what you interpret to be) attractive females, those same acts of violence and domination become "sexualization". What that reveals is only that you feel violent imagery becomes sexualized whenever it is perpetrated upon the types of people you happen to find attractive.
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Posted byRogueMage#7621on Dec 10, 2013, 3:40:10 AM
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So what you are saying is, anyone who sees some sort of sexualization here, is into S&M and bondage, because otherwise he would be blind for it. I mean, really?
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Posted byWulfenstein#1313on Dec 10, 2013, 4:28:19 AM
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So what you are saying is, anyone who sees some sort of sexualization here, is into S&M and bondage, because otherwise he would be blind for it.
No, I make no such assumptions, nor have I implied any such conclusion.
However, the way you phrase your false equivalence makes clear the type of psychological gymnastics you're using to justify your claim that the statues are portrayed in a "sexualized" manner. The figures are bound in chains. From there, you leap to the following chain of conclusions:
Chains = Bondage = S&M = sexualization
Whereas you say sexualization, what I see is parochialism.
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Posted byRogueMage#7621on Dec 10, 2013, 5:51:20 AM
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If, as you both say, you read it, you will see that he's saying that - by creating a game whose design goals are clearly "titillate 14 year old boys" - GGG is leaving money on the table.
Sorry, I definitely didn't stop being interested in the aesthetics of the female form after the age of 14.
But I definitely don't go around noticing them everywhere and pointing and waving -- that I leave up to the people who want to make a big fuss about it.
As for leaving money on the table, I'd be willing to bet that GGG would have gotten neither more nor less had they spent the time worrying over what is, ultimately, a rather tame and contextually justified image.
Neither myself (35), my girlfriend (28) or any of my friends even noticed the two girls until we'd played for a while. We were sort of too busy paying attention to what was happening in the balls to which they are chained. They're not even an issue until a thread like this pops up, as invariably happens once every few months, usually by someone from srs gaming who drops by, lays a big fat stinking crap of forced controversy, maybe sticks around for a page or two and then heads off, content that they've somehow made a difference but knowing, of course, that they haven't really, but damnit, IT STILL HAS TO BE SAID.
...Social justice demands it!
It has very little to do with money. I'm sure most people just use that leverage, almost a form of blackmail. 'I WOULD have supported if [insert demand of dev here]' is such a pissweak stance, especially against a free-to-play game.
But if you want to believe that there's someone out there who held back more than a pittance of support because of some boobs hidden by hair and depictions of slave girls when slave girls actually DID exist in Wraeclast and I'd guess Oriath, then go right ahead. I'll be more than glad to put in whatever amount you can prove...or even convince me of.
It's always a pleasure to read what you write, Charan.
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Posted byVeta321#3815on Dec 10, 2013, 6:12:19 AM
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RogueMage wrote:
No, I make no such assumptions, nor have I implied any such conclusion.
However, the way you phrase your false equivalence makes clear the type of psychological gymnastics you're using to justify your claim that the statues are portrayed in a "sexualized" manner. The figures are bound in chains. From there, you leap to the following chain of conclusions:
Chains = Bondage = S&M = sexualization
Whereas you say sexualization, what I see is parochialism.
Please do check again where in my posts I make a point of the hot, naked sexslave girls being chained to something, since you seem to be quite fixated on this whole bondage thing. :)
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Posted byJojas#5551on Dec 10, 2013, 6:38:10 AM
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If, as you both say, you read it, you will see that he's saying that - by creating a game whose design goals are clearly "titillate 14 year old boys" - GGG is leaving money on the table.
Sorry, I definitely didn't stop being interested in the aesthetics of the female form after the age of 14.
The "aesthetics of the female form"? You're putting me on, right?
Oh my god, you kept writing after this. You're not putting me on. I'm laughing too hard to keep reading though, sorry. Said it before, I'll say it again - shine on, you crazy diamond.
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Posted bysimnel#1762on Dec 10, 2013, 7:02:05 AM
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