Plea to devs to address the sexism

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simnel wrote:

Like your comrade Wulfenstein, you should really actually READ the original post, rather than just reacting to what you think it said.

Also, you should probably get some less silly opinions... but that's just my minority opinion.

I saw this thread the day it was posted and I've read every post since. I've actually come to the realization that I am offended by people who are easily offended. I suppose that makes me easily offended. /mind blown

Okay - when someone tells you to "read" something, they don't mean "look at the letters", they mean "engage your brain and interpret what they say."

The OP isn't complaining that stuff is offensive, or saying that GGG should take stuff out of the game because it bothers his delicate sensibilities. If, as you both say, you read it, you will see that he's saying that - by creating a game whose design goals are clearly "titillate 14 year old boys" - GGG is leaving money on the table.

The idea that he finds it offensive is something you two (and, as I said, 33 pages of other, similarly entitled/stunted fellows) are reading into it. Why is that, do you think? Are you made uncomfortable by the thought that the game might stop catering directly to you? Maybe you should start a thread!

I miss the dead babies.

Its not GGGs responsibility to conform to stupid oversensitive feminism, if you don't like it, you can get the hell out. simple as that. if you don't like it leave, I repeat.....

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simnel wrote:

design goals are clearly "titillate 14 year old boys" - GGG is leaving money on the table.

The design goals are clearly "titillate old Diablo 2 addicts" - GGG has left no money on the table. In fact, GGG now owns the table.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

It has very little to do with money. I'm sure most people just use that leverage, almost a form of blackmail. 'I WOULD have supported if [insert demand of dev here]' is such a pissweak stance, especially against a free-to-play game.

This is so true.

Nonetheless, if I imagine young naked male slaves chained to the globes I must say I wouldn't want them to be there. If at the start of the game I had the option of picking either male or female slaves chained to the globes I would pick female slaves without a second thought.

Not because I want to leer at their hot naked bodies but because sexualized male bodies is not something I particularly want to look at. Seems silly when I think of it, but that's how it is. It really does make me feel uncomfortable, if only a little.

Now, as a matter of fact, I'm not a homosexual woman, but a heterosexual man, so all I can do is just assume that heterosexual woman might just feel the same way about sexualized female bodies as I do about sexualized male bodies.

With the difference being that woman really should have gotten used to it by now. Just kidding. :D

A compromise might be in order. The damage has been done and countless women and dollars have already gone the other way, but there might be one chance of redemption left, without corrupting the original vision:
Put a female sex slave on the health globe and a male sex slave on the mana globe. This is fair because the majority of people playing PoE are males and when playing PoE you look much more often at the health globe than at the mana globe. This is even fair to the gays since there are much less gays than there are not-gays in society, so it's safe to assume that there also much less gays playing PoE than not-gays.

Furry-lovers and their ilk can just go stuff themselves.

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Jojas wrote:

...If I imagine young naked male slaves chained to the globes I must say I wouldn't want them to be there. If at the start of the game I had the option of picking either male or female slaves chained to the globes I would pick female slaves without a second thought.

Not because I want to leer at their hot naked bodies but because sexualized male bodies is not something I particularly want to look at. Seems silly when I think of it, but that's how it is. It really does make me feel uncomfortable, if only a little.

The Health and Mana globe sculptures are not engaged in any kind of sex act and their faces and genital areas are shrouded by clothing and hair, rendering them anonymous works of art. These statues are not explicitly sexuallized, they are depicted as bound in chains, a theme that is highly representative of the game's advertised content. If that's something that suggests "hot naked bodies" to you, then feel free to enjoy your private fantasy, but recognize that your subjective interpretation is far from universal.

As far as your "compromise" proposal is concerned, the figure holding the Health Globe is already depicted with the kind of male physique and clothing style I find appealing. The figure holding the Mana Globe is already depicted with the kind of female physique and clothing style I find appealing. In my eyes, however, they are not "sex slaves", they are works of art inspired by classic Greek and Roman sculpture.

Titilate 14 year old boys? Holy shit I hadn't even NOTICED the art on the health/mana bar until I read a couple of threads on the forums complaining about it.

People overreact about tiny things way too much.

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Hrishi wrote:

Titilate 14 year old boys? Holy shit I hadn't even NOTICED the art on the health/mana bar until I read a couple of threads on the forums complaining about it.

People overreact about tiny things way too much.

Indeed. I had to open the game and look at the art to know wtf was being talked about.

And Simnel, damn you're a jackass. Instead of attacking others for what you perceive to be their lack of empathy/understanding/maturity/etc, explain WHY you think it's offensive and then, walk away. They'll either understand or they won't. They'll be convinced or they won't/ But attacking them, being aggressive, and being insulting well... that makes you a jackass.

I've explained WHY I perceive you as a jackass, and now, I'm out.

I agree. Whether the sexism and sexploitation of women that the SH&M globe-holders represent is an important part of the PoE world, or just something that you can ignore and not really think about, is not that important. Whether you think sexism is wonderful, or just tolerable, the important point is that people who don't like it are wrong and stupid.

Sexism is here to stay, you should embrace it or at least put up with it. Whining about it won't help, it just makes you look unbigotted and egalitarian.

Some might even argue that PoE just doesn't go far enough to advance the pro-sexism agenda. Sure, they have slave girl statues chained to the UI, but look at all the missed opportunities elsewhere in the game!

The ranger is far to spunky and independent to be a good role model for young girls, they might grow up thinking that they can achieve things on their own without the help of a man. She even goes so far as to suggest this very thing to Merveil!

And the witch (or really 'bitch', amirite guys?), ordering around a horde of zombies, how realistic is that? For all we know, they could be male zombies. She should be raising us some meals in her cauldron, not raising the dead. There's a reason it's not called necrowomancy.

Piety is the one that really gets my goat, though. Sure, she plays the dominatrix role well, and even gets dominated herself a few times, if you know what I mean. But here she is, commanding a legion of blackguard soldiers. Even the fact that some of them are women is pretty intolerable. To be fair, though, Helena did run like a girl at the first sign of trouble, instead of standing and fighting like a man. They got something right, at least.

tl;dr - we need more sexism in PoE, not less. If GGG are willing to have 20th century graphics, the least they could do is use 20th century moral values as well.