is IR really necesary?

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Legebril wrote:

But people tend to pick Iron reflexes with grace over pure armor with determination + free pasives, i think that its not only because its easies for them to gear the character :S

It's entirely possible that it used to be superior (it was), and so that's a build people are comfortable with, and they stick to it.

I'm not saying that is the case, but it's a possible explanation that has been applicable to other games.

1.0.0 is new enough that builds haven't entirely acclimated to the changes.

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Legebril wrote:

But people tend to pick Iron reflexes with grace over pure armor with determination + free pasives, i think that its not only because its easies for them to gear the character :S

It's because Grace had flat cost and determination was 30% (or 40%? Can't remember). Also, If you don't have much armor, Determination isn't that good. Also, determination can still be used in conjunction WITH grace and IR.
All that doesn't really matter now when auras are 60%. To me, grace + IR looks like a no brainer now (over determination) if your builds takes you close to IR.


edit:

hybrid AR/EV gear = more options for sockets, arguably cheaper to buy, can yield more armor with IR (Bringer of Rain for example)

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syrioforel wrote:

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Aetherium wrote:

thats because IR helps greatly getting enough armour to withstand bleed, thats the main reason i usually pick up IR, lategame if you are able to get at least 10k armour without IR, you should respec out of IR and that way your mitigation will become even higher.
Pure evasion itself is only viable for those who use arctic armour(without any armour or using artic armour skill u will end up getting killed from bleed)

If you can evade the puncture, you don't bleed. That said, I've noticed bleed is an issue with evasion characters I've made. A solution: staunching flask.

if you get crit puncture as evasion, youre dead way faster than you can logout

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hoya wrote:

if you get crit puncture as evasion, youre dead way faster than you can logout

just saying, this is basically mathematically impossible depending on your evasion. with evasion it rolls against accuracy then critical. so with say 50% evasion, if the accuracy rolls a hit then the critical is rolled next to which it misses. you get hit but it will not be a crit.

this is of course if they can hit you at all. i think the entire time i've played my character (11 days 6 hours 24 minutes and 11 seconds) i've been punctured once, and i took it off with a flask.

EDIT: that being said - evasion sucks nobody should do it, IR is da bombz please don't nerf my evasion

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JunKx wrote:

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hoya wrote:

if you get crit puncture as evasion, youre dead way faster than you can logout

just saying, this is basically mathematically impossible depending on your evasion. with evasion it rolls against accuracy then critical. so with say 50% evasion, if the accuracy rolls a hit then the critical is rolled next to which it misses. you get hit but it will not be a crit.

this is of course if they can hit you at all. i think the entire time i've played my character (11 days 6 hours 24 minutes and 11 seconds) i've been punctured once, and i took it off with a flask.

EDIT: that being said - evasion sucks nobody should do it, IR is da bombz please don't nerf my evasion

The crit re-roll doesn't use the entropy counter.

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syrioforel wrote:

The crit re-roll doesn't use the entropy counter.

ok, my bad, i was wrong.

evasion based characters still do not get crit often, or at least i don't. i can't even tell if its a crit or not TBH. im mostly surprised if i get hit at all

i mean...ya...stack armor its opness break game evasion balls hippity hop i can't stop...using armor
*shifty eyes*

The trick to making a good Evasion character is to stay the fuck away from the ranger's portion of the skill tree. Then you'll understand that Evasion is actually very strong, it's just that wasted nodes suck, Strength is awesome, and just because you can evade things doesn't mean you don't need a shitload of Life.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The trick to making a good Evasion character is to stay the fuck away from the ranger's portion of the skill tree. Then you'll understand that Evasion is actually very strong, it's just that wasted nodes suck, Strength is awesome, and just because you can evade things doesn't mean you don't need a shitload of Life.

The EV/Life nodes need buffing. The only thing "wrong" with the ranger side is lack of flat life, up until this patch it has had "better" access to Increased HP, enough to close or eliminate the gap with a Str build. I've mathed it, several times.

Anyway, Hybrid EV/AR technically has the bets potential Armour with IR, but good luck with those rolls. And Grace is far far inferior to determination for increasing armour if you have actual gear, it's worth ~20% more armour (in an average to best case) vs the 50% of Determination.

People here are bad at maths I swear.

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Autocthon wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The trick to making a good Evasion character is to stay the fuck away from the ranger's portion of the skill tree. Then you'll understand that Evasion is actually very strong, it's just that wasted nodes suck, Strength is awesome, and just because you can evade things doesn't mean you don't need a shitload of Life.

The EV/Life nodes need buffing. The only thing "wrong" with the ranger side is lack of flat life, up until this patch it has had "better" access to Increased HP, enough to close or eliminate the gap with a Str build. I've mathed it, several times.

Anyway, Hybrid EV/AR technically has the bets potential Armour with IR, but good luck with those rolls. And Grace is far far inferior to determination for increasing armour if you have actual gear, it's worth ~20% more armour (in an average to best case) vs the 50% of Determination.

People here are bad at maths I swear.

Do you include yourself in that statement? :)

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Autocthon wrote:

I concede to your superior mathing with the caveat that in reality you're looking for specific colors of sockets in specific numbers and therefore it doesnt matter what the real probability is, all that matters is that its super low.

Because the quote above was about middle-school stuff.

Putting the ego rulers aside, it'd be nice if things were backed up with calculations somewhere.