Are you... are you being serious right now? Go read my post history. Go ahead, I'll wait. See me advocating a full-on AH feature like D3? Simultaneously, what's my feeling of blizzard/D3?
We all calm now? K. Good stuff.
I have not played every single ARPG title out there, nor do I care to. Slowly and calmly read what I have said in this thread, and you'll see that I am pretty cool with how the trading system is in POE, just not cool with how people deal with advertising their prices.
As I understand it, the trading system is meant to be slow and arduous, it is NOT meant to be a cesspool of human depravity. I could care less about the situation in other games, I want THIS game to be the topic at hand. The plan the devs have set in motion seems reasonable to me, and in my opinion will be leaps and bounds better than spamming trade chat all day. Will there still be assholes? Yes. Will I need to actively seek them out? Not as much.
You sound p mad brah.
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Antnee wrote:
As I understand it
You obviously don't, what you are experiencing here on PoE, what you call "human depravity" is the NORM for any game, or IRL situation were trading is done like this. Your mommy isn't here to hold your hand and make sure you don't overpay for something, and EVERYONE is out to rip you off.
You aren't going to find some fantasy land were everyone is nice, and the guy selling something is going to tell you "Oh you don't need to pay me 10 exalts this is only worth 2"
btw the "plan the devs have set in motion" (public stash tabs) isn't going to change the "cesspool" community you talk of. You are still going to have to deal with the haggling with other players you hate so much.
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Maybe because the item is GG and you did not know ?
I sold these :
for 13 ex today
thank you for proving the point of everyone who hates trading. to buy that pair of boots i would have to have 13 ex. i have spent less than 3 ex across about 8 chars. i will never, ever see 13 ex.
and the fact that tri-resist + life boots are 13 ex proves exactly how fucked up it is.
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No no no
Some players have : 500ex+
Some others have 3000ex+
and they don't rmt ( why the hell would he buy 3000ex ? )
500ex ? no amount of me "learning how to trade" is ever, ever going to net me 500ex. not without some kind of serious sh*tload playing time.
this game forces you to trade.
you can't have good gear if you don't.
if you don't like trading you do what i do. you start new chars and have fun playing with goofy builds.
Because I play an arpg. What's the "a" stand for? Action. Grinding, fighting, adrenaline rushes when you bite off more than you can chew... That's why I play.
I just stopped playing my facebreaker build. It just hit 67. I realized it was probably going to take me around eight hours to convert my currency into exalts and then trade them for a bringer of rain. I've got, if I'm patient enough to not get ridiculous ratios, the four to eight ex worth of currency on me. But it's easily going to take longer to get that one item than it took me to level from 55 to 67.
That's pathetic, boring, and piss poor design.
People said auction house was bad in D3 because it led to pay to win. You know what it also led to? Not having to dick around for four hours every five levels spamming "WTB! WTB!"
exactly. looking forward to the same problem. but, in the meantime, having a crapload of fun playing with the FB.
once i hit that , you gotta have the gear level, it's going to go into storage and i'll start a new build.
and when i get tired of leveling new builds i'll qq.
and the game will be left with people buying BORs from each other for 10ex because they are "good at trading" or some other such bullshit.
Because I play an arpg. What's the "a" stand for? Action. Grinding, fighting, adrenaline rushes when you bite off more than you can chew... That's why I play.
I just stopped playing my facebreaker build. It just hit 67. I realized it was probably going to take me around eight hours to convert my currency into exalts and then trade them for a bringer of rain. I've got, if I'm patient enough to not get ridiculous ratios, the four to eight ex worth of currency on me. But it's easily going to take longer to get that one item than it took me to level from 55 to 67.
That's pathetic, boring, and piss poor design.
People said auction house was bad in D3 because it led to pay to win. You know what it also led to? Not having to dick around for four hours every five levels spamming "WTB! WTB!"
exactly. looking forward to the same problem. but, in the meantime, having a crapload of fun playing with the FB.
once i hit that , you gotta have the gear level, it's going to go into storage and i'll start a new build.
and when i get tired of leveling new builds i'll qq.
and the game will be left with people buying BORs from each other for 10ex because they are "good at trading" or some other such bullshit.
The funny part is if we had an AH, that BOR would be 50-100 exalts, and instead of 8 hours of trading, it would be weeks or grinding.
AH just opens up the flood gates for speculation / price gouging. Some one will buy out all the BOR and put them back up at 3-5x the cost, noobs will look to the AH for price checks, and that price becomes the new norm. Thats just 1 example of shit that happens.
also complaining that you have to work for THE BEST head slot in the game for some builds is hilarious.
Maybe because the item is GG and you did not know ?
I sold these :
for 13 ex today
thank you for proving the point of everyone who hates trading. to buy that pair of boots i would have to have 13 ex. i have spent less than 3 ex across about 8 chars. i will never, ever see 13 ex.
and the fact that tri-resist + life boots are 13 ex proves exactly how fucked up it is.
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No no no
Some players have : 500ex+
Some others have 3000ex+
and they don't rmt ( why the hell would he buy 3000ex ? )
500ex ? no amount of me "learning how to trade" is ever, ever going to net me 500ex. not without some kind of serious sh*tload playing time.
this game forces you to trade.
you can't have good gear if you don't.
if you don't like trading you do what i do. you start new chars and have fun playing with goofy builds.
*I don't even like trading*
( of course selling items for 10ex+ is thrilling)
You don't need some kind of serious sh*tload playing time if you do what i am going to suggest :
-learn to trade for a build requiring some gg items you are making or following, or just FARM with a build that does not require a lot of gg stuff until you can get 1 OKAY complete build set.
- Play = enjoy the game.
- Be bored, sell your set, and buy another one
- Play a new build
Sell it
.. and so on!
To have those boots you "can also" :
-Drop them
-get them from a friend/new friend ( which i did, he ragequited and gave me everything.. i waited until he comes back, he said i want my sould taker back and everything else is yours : i knew it was mine)
-Party with real life friends = free items sometimes
- Buy it for a few chaos/gcps from someone new who watched kripp video about selling junk rares for a chaos or so
btw, those boots had 3 OFF-Colors ! :o
I expect things to change, but until then i offer you a tool to learn a little about gathering wealth :
lol @ item flipping being labeled as scamming.. I can definitely tell the difference between people who can trade and people who can't in this thread :P
It's the easiest way to make money, I've bought many, MANY items for 10-20 chaos and sold for 5ex+.
Likely this has been said already, but it's more challenging. Plus I also don't have general or trade chat on because I can't stand the general populous (and that's not just in game).
Colour me happy if I can play this exclusively with a small collection of people and not have any influence from outside of that group.
-- PoE had the great innovation and insight of replacing gold with items that have utility but then makes the items so rare and the utility so marginal that it might as well be gold. Albeit a particularly inconvenient and horribly illiquid form of gold that comes in different currencies that can only be exchanged at thesilkroad.com
-- The cost of trading is a significant amount of activity that many people find at best tedious or worse completely at odds with an activity they do for relaxation and fun. This not only reduces efficiency of the market (things are expensive, bid/offer spreads are variable, unpredictable and wide) but the amount of trading is significantly reduced (there are people with stuff to sell that people want to buy but those transactions do not happen). Also, well, it's just a dumb mechanic if you say it out loud ("We made a significant part of our game a pain in the ass so people don't do it as much").
-- Not participating in trading means crafting is more or less broken by virtue of being impossible to complete on a timescale compatible with human lifetimes. Therefore one of the games' most significant and enjoyable systems requires players to pay the "cost" of trading or forego that part of the game.
-- RNG is great and adds to the enjoyment of many games. But the brutal variance in PoE's various systems and tuning is only fun if you enjoy setting fire to your hair in the hope that a passing billionaire will say "That's cool! Here have a 10 million $ for making my day". It would be like playing a form of Poker where the only winning hand is a Royal Flush and everything else is a tie/push.
-- The original problem this was meant to fix was to slow the game down so people didn't burn through it super quick even with 14x7 play times and get bored and stop playing. If the solution to that is to make the game so frustrating that people stop playing anyway then you have not really solved the problem.
-- The game has a built in mechanisms (leagues with alternate rulesets, ladders and resets) for providing and/or experimenting with this sort of thing so the decision to not do this other than because GGG think we should be trading (if we are to take their comments at face value) seems almost wilfully perverse.
-- I spend about 50 hours a week trading and or thinking about trading (algorithmic trading of derivatives) and a chunk of my spare time playing poker. So I like trading and I like gambling. The problem is that at the forms of trading and gambling PoE provides are just not particularly rewarding or enjoyable.
-- Exalted orbs are a barbarous relic (sort of) (for wonks out there).
Having said all that, I really enjoy PoE and am happy to play it without trading, with minimal crafting and with access to mostly marginal loot. I also really like that it's hard, requires time, determination and effort and has interesting and complex systems that reward thought and planning.
I just think it would be a lot better if there was a version of the game that allowed me to craft without having to undergo the tedium of trading.
Just my 2c.
Agree all around and silkroad made me laugh. Good Jorb.
