But item balance on standard (and legacy leagues in general) is irrelevant.
No its not. That is ridiculous.
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I don't see how making them legacy would make this particular problem "worse."
Lets see. GGG says "Ya these items are imbalanced and too powerful so lets nerf them and leave the old ones in the game". What does that solve? Absolutely nothing. Now those items are even more powerful because they don't drop in the game anymore. The problem has been made worse. Now the goal isn't to get a Kaoms Heart, its to get a LEGACY Kaoms Heart. The problem still exists and is worse.
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It's not like you would NEED a legacy kaoms to do a life build -- that would be the whole point of balancing life (and kaoms) -- to make it so you DON'T need it.
You don't NEED Kaoms right now. Thats not the point.
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That's all it would be -- an overpowered legacy item.
So the items are still there and still over powered. Nothing has been solved at all.
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Why do people feel it's such a big deal if there exists an overpowered legacy item on the legacy leagues (default and hardcore)?
Same reasons why people don't want OP items in general.
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Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Sep 26, 2013, 4:45:02 PM
But item balance on standard (and legacy leagues in general) is irrelevant.
No its not. That is ridiculous.
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I don't see how making them legacy would make this particular problem "worse."
Lets see. GGG says "Ya these items are imbalanced and too powerful so lets nerf them and leave the old ones in the game". What does that solve? Absolutely nothing. Now those items are even more powerful because they don't drop in the game anymore. The problem has been made worse. Now the goal isn't to get a Kaoms Heart, its to get a LEGACY Kaoms Heart. The problem still exists and is worse.
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It's not like you would NEED a legacy kaoms to do a life build -- that would be the whole point of balancing life (and kaoms) -- to make it so you DON'T need it.
You don't NEED Kaoms right now. Thats not the point.
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That's all it would be -- an overpowered legacy item.
So the items are still there and still over powered. Nothing has been solved at all.
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Why do people feel it's such a big deal if there exists an overpowered legacy item on the legacy leagues (default and hardcore)?
Save reasons why people don't want OP items in general.
Chris already said the words, so going against them will be wrong after some of us invested according to his OWN WORDS!!! It's not like this is a rumor... it's not like some other GGG person said it... it's the MAN HIMSELF who said it. The king said it, so we shall see.
Note: even the damn uniques with base item type onyx are going for an insane amount now before the launch... so you see, either stick with what one says or reimburse those of us who invested according to his words--if we get fucked for having trusted those words.
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Last edited by Azarius#0884 on Sep 26, 2013, 4:48:40 PM
You realize the item could still be nerfed in a way other than numeric value right?
Also, people can change their minds which GGG has done before. I don't think Chris intended for people to start spending a ton of exalts because of his one post there.
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Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Sep 26, 2013, 4:49:07 PM
You realize the item could still be nerfed in a way other than numeric value right?
True, they could nerf passive nodes, for example, but either way, that would still make the item necessary for life builds. I am just saying if someone says one thing... live up to your words or don't say them at all.
You realize the item could still be nerfed in a way other than numeric value right?
Also, people can change their minds which GGG has done before. I don't think Chris intended for people to start spending a ton of exalts because of his one post there.
It should be expected because this has already happened more than once... I would know because I have done this in the past with other legacy items.
But item balance on standard (and legacy leagues in general) is irrelevant.
No its not. That is ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous. There is endless inflation in the legacy leagues that will never stop. Inflation, inflation, inflation. Good luck "balancing" that situation.
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iamstryker wrote:
Lets see. GGG says "Ya these items are imbalanced and too powerful so lets nerf them and leave the old ones in the game". What does that solve? Absolutely nothing. Now those items are even more powerful because they don't drop in the game anymore. The problem has been made worse. Now the goal isn't to get a Kaoms Heart, its to get a LEGACY Kaoms Heart. The problem still exists and is worse.
The problem isn't worse. The priority is to balance the core game, not to balance the existing cesspit legacy leagues, lol.
Most people play on the four month leagues, I believe that was already confirmed in the past. Making each four month league better than the last is the big priority, or should be.
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iamstryker wrote:
You don't NEED Kaoms right now. Thats not the point.
But you do, and that is the point. This is why life builds are so unpopular in Onslaught - because there is no Kaoms. Kaoms was found to be build-enabling to life builds - meaning it's needed (in it's current state) to make your life build viable in the end game without heaps of niche gear that you will never acquire in a 4 month league.
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iamstryker wrote:
Same reasons why people don't want OP items in general.
I suggest playing in the four month leagues, then.
By the way, there is precedent for all of this:
1) Race reward items are "legacy."
2) They have created other legacy uniques before, for instance +2 Silverbranch
3) The uniques from the 4 month leagues are being made legacy. They said they RESERVED THE RIGHT to re-introduce them, but there is no guarantee, meaning some of them might stay legacy forever.
But item balance on standard (and legacy leagues in general) is irrelevant.
No its not. That is ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous. There is endless inflation in the legacy leagues that will never stop. Inflation, inflation, inflation. Good luck "balancing" that situation.
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iamstryker wrote:
Lets see. GGG says "Ya these items are imbalanced and too powerful so lets nerf them and leave the old ones in the game". What does that solve? Absolutely nothing. Now those items are even more powerful because they don't drop in the game anymore. The problem has been made worse. Now the goal isn't to get a Kaoms Heart, its to get a LEGACY Kaoms Heart. The problem still exists and is worse.
The problem isn't worse. The priority is to balance the core game, not to balance the existing cesspit legacy leagues, lol.
Most people play on the four month leagues, I believe that was already confirmed in the past. Making each four month league better than the last is the big priority, or should be.
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iamstryker wrote:
You don't NEED Kaoms right now. Thats not the point.
But you do, and that is the point. This is why life builds are so unpopular in Onslaught - because there is no Kaoms. Kaoms was found to be build-enabling to life builds - meaning it's needed (in it's current state) to make your life build viable in the end game without heaps of niche gear that you will never acquire in a 4 month league.
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iamstryker wrote:
Same reasons why people don't want OP items in general.
I suggest playing in the four month leagues, then.
By the way, there is precedent for all of this:
1) Race reward items are "legacy."
2) They have created other legacy uniques before, for instance +2 Silverbranch
3) The uniques from the 4 month leagues are being made legacy. They said they RESERVED THE RIGHT to re-introduce them, but there is no guarantee, meaning some of them might stay legacy forever.
Notable: Shavronne's Revelation ring.
Yep, and I busted my ass to get all legacy uniques from the new leagues with 100% perfect stats... I just hope the damn carebares don't ruin it for those of us who actually had to work hard for our shit. There has been legacy items before, so there should continue to be more. If you remove legacy items of one type, then just remove all legacy items. How the hell can we keep up economically every time there's an update with shit becoming legacy or not if they are not 100% straight forward with what is or isn't going to be changed.
Edit: The game was supposed to be hardcore... and now it seems that MAYBE they will give another tally point to the carebares and screw those of us who invested the time and effort to acquire various items--especially BASED ON what Chris himself said.
Note: If they do remove all legacies, there should be a way to reimburse players via a special npc... as I have mentioned before.
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Last edited by Azarius#0884 on Sep 26, 2013, 5:10:56 PM
It's not ridiculous. There is endless inflation in the legacy leagues that will never stop. Inflation, inflation, inflation. Good luck "balancing" that situation.
I think we all know that. What does inflation have to do with balancing uniques? Temporary leagues also have inflation and end up with a bad economy as well.
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The problem isn't worse. The priority is to balance the core game, not to balance the existing cesspit legacy leagues, lol.
What does core game mean? Aren't all leagues important? Don't the devs make balance changes for ALL leagues? If these "legacy leagues" as you call them aren't important to you then why do you care what they do with the uniques? Go play your temporary leagues.
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Most people play on the four month leagues, I believe that was already confirmed in the past. Making each four month league better than the last is the big priority, or should be.
Still don't see what this has to do with balance changes to over powered uniques.
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But you do, and that is the point. This is why life builds are so unpopular in Onslaught - because there is no Kaoms. Kaoms was found to be build-enabling to life builds - meaning it's needed (in it's current state) to make your life build viable in the end game without heaps of niche gear that you will never acquire in a 4 month league.
Life being inferior atm doesn't really have anything to do with balancing Kaoms. The whole idea that people view Kaoms as a requirement is the problem in itself.
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I suggest playing in the four month leagues, then.
I have no interest in temporary leagues.
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By the way, there is precedent for all of this:
1) Race reward items are "legacy."
2) They have created other legacy uniques before, for instance +2 Silverbranch
3) The uniques from the 4 month leagues are being made legacy. They said they RESERVED THE RIGHT to re-introduce them, but there is no guarantee, meaning some of them might stay legacy forever.
Notable: Shavronne's Revelation ring.
There is a gigantic difference between making silverbranch legacy and the current overpowered uniques.
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Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Sep 26, 2013, 5:42:25 PM
It doesn't matter. Balance changes will happen in new leagues. If you stay in an old league where you have a huge advantage already over any new player, you can deal with legacy items having an advantage on you. That's how GGG has decided it already based on all of their actions and all of their words.
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