kaoms and shavronne nerf?

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Midnitecloud wrote:

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tikitaki wrote:

Any other ideas?

Yea a very simple one. Buff HP on regular chest to fall inline with ES making Kaom's less OP without changing it at all.

Actually, you know what, that's a very good idea. +1

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Midnitecloud wrote:

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tikitaki wrote:

Any other ideas?

Yea a very simple one. Buff HP on regular chest to fall inline with ES making Kaom's less OP without changing it at all.

They can't retroactively buff HP on chests that already exist, so you've just made 99% of the chests out there obsolete. Will also lead to QQ.

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tikitaki wrote:

Result: People who farmed hard to buy a Kaoms QQ and rage.

My focus is on whats best for the game not some people getting mad at a game change. There's always something to be mad about.

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Any other ideas?

If they feel that the items are imbalanced then fix all of them or don't do any fix at all. Making them legacy would actually make the problem worse on standard. Instead of OP items that anyone can find now you have thousands of super OP uniques being passed around for incredible prices.

A slightly better idea is to make the legacy versions bound to the character. Not ideal but better than the alternative.

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iamstryker wrote:

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tikitaki wrote:

Result: People who farmed hard to buy a Kaoms QQ and rage.

My focus is on whats best for the game not some people getting mad at a game change. There's always something to be mad about.

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Any other ideas?

If they feel that the items are imbalanced then fix all of them or don't do any fix at all. Making them legacy would actually make the problem worse on standard. Instead of OP items that anyone can find now you have thousands of super OP uniques being passed around for incredible prices.

A slightly better idea is to make the legacy versions bound to the character. Not ideal but better than the alternative.

Bound wouldn't be fair to those who have more than one Kaom's, for example. Making them bound is stupid. Some people spent time farming their asses off or trading their asses off to mass up wealth to invest in other items that would net profit. It's going to suck when someone who busted their ass for 100, 200, or even 300+ exalts worth of shit ends up having 30 exalts worth left...

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reboticon wrote:

They can't retroactively buff HP on chests that already exist, so you've just made 99% of the chests out there obsolete. Will also lead to QQ.

They could buff life passives. Life needs to be buffed regardless of what they do with Kaoms.

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iamstryker wrote:

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reboticon wrote:

They can't retroactively buff HP on chests that already exist, so you've just made 99% of the chests out there obsolete. Will also lead to QQ.

They could buff life passives. Life needs to be buffed regardless of what they do with Kaoms.

The other thing that sucks is what Chris Said recently about Kaom's Heart; people are going to want to get as many as possible by having to invest 100 - 200% or more of their original value right this instant... people are basing things off his actual words. His words were pretty much saying that Old items = retain numeric values. It's all in the link I provided originally. Basically... this line of logic has been followed through with 100% of the time... so now to throw it off would not only go against the logic that has been given to us, but it would also go against Chris' words... this isn't fair to investors at all.

There has to be a way to resolve the issue without screwing someone over in the process... hell, I feel sorry for those who dished out all of that money to have their investment of REAL money tossed to shit. I'm sure glad I didn't upgrade my supporter pack now... all of this ambiguity is driving me insane... I wish we'd have some more clarity on the issue since it's going to be whatever it is very soon...

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Zybeline wrote:

If think many people forget that this game is still in beta state.

There is one other way to make kaoms less mandatory, buff life and release new content with appropriate gear.

In all honesty I wish they'd just do a damn wipe on release... because no matter what happens, someone is going to get an advantage over someone. I won't spell it out here why that is, because last time I did that I was chat banned temp... for those of you who have figured out why, good for you... and now you know why certain people have what they have...

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iamstryker wrote:

If they feel that the items are imbalanced then fix all of them or don't do any fix at all. Making them legacy would actually make the problem worse on standard.

But item balance on standard (and legacy leagues in general) is irrelevant.

They will never be balanced as there is endless orb/item inflation.

I don't see how making them legacy would make this particular problem "worse."

It's not like you would NEED a legacy kaoms to do a life build -- that would be the whole point of balancing life (and kaoms) -- to make it so you DON'T need it.

That's all it would be -- an overpowered legacy item.

Why do people feel it's such a big deal if there exists an overpowered legacy item on the legacy leagues (default and hardcore)?

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tikitaki wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

If they feel that the items are imbalanced then fix all of them or don't do any fix at all. Making them legacy would actually make the problem worse on standard.

But item balance on standard (and legacy leagues in general) is irrelevant.

They will never be balanced as there is endless orb/item inflation.

I don't see how making them legacy would make this particular problem "worse."

It's not like you would NEED a legacy kaoms to do a life build -- that would be the whole point of balancing life (and kaoms) -- to make it so you DON'T need it.

That's all it would be -- an overpowered legacy item.

Why do people feel it's such a big deal if there exists an overpowered legacy item on the legacy leagues (default and hardcore)?

All I know is that Chris said that older versions (like the 1000 hp Kaom's) would retain their 'numeric' value, so if they go against that, I will expect a refund... otherwise, they should choose their words more carefully next time. It's because of his words that I invested so heavily into buying certain uniques now... people can say what they want, but in the end Chris from GGG himself said that, and it's not fair if they go against it knowing others would act according to his words...

god... I hope this doesn't turn into another D3 bs fest... except this time I've spent $150.00 dollars, LOL!!! It'd be nice for once to not have to deal with people saying one thing and then turning around and doing another--especially if it's going to ruin people.

NOTE: He did hint to this because someone directly asked him on the announcements thread regarding what will happen after anarchy/onslaught. Someone was worried about having spent 30 + exalts on their Kaom's, and now they would lose their entire wealth due to its value decreasing--when they nerf it. Chris responded DIRECTLY to this person and said "generally" older versions retain their "numeric value." True, there's ambiguity, still, but that's fucked up considering we only have so long to figure out what's the best thing to do with our currency... I myself have invested 100s of exalts, so come October... I might be borke to shit... and it will be because of people saying one thing and doing another... I know I am not the only one who did this type of investment.

Oh, and damn, why would I buy so many stash tabs only to have my items tossed to shit? That's like tossing my REAL money in the trash... now we are dealing with real money in that regard... I won't put up with this if they ruin the game come October 8th... that or at least offer a new permanent league for those of us who are fed up with this bs...