Whats the Purpose of Garbage Uniques?

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crazytrain411 wrote:

So why have I been unable to sell these awesome items for 3 months at rock bottom prices?

The two-handed Uniques you list are all useful, depending on your build progression. However, the ones you're offering have only 3-4 unlinked sockets. For endgame players, nothing less than 5L or 6L two-handers are going to be of value, regardless of whether they're Uniques or Rares.

Also, Infractem's a killer bow for a build that doesn't need fast attack speed. 100% Chance to Pierce is invaluable to those who know how to exploit it.

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RogueMage wrote:

Also, Infractem's a killer bow for a build that doesn't need fast attack speed. 100% Chance to Pierce is invaluable to those who know how to exploit it.

Agreed. My GF Built a Ranger that runs Ice Ghot, GMP, high crit chance. She effectively shuts down full screens.

Just give those items away for free to new players. They're worth nothing because they are shit, and the community as a whole has gotten together and deemed those items to be shit, which is why they're only worth 1 chaos orb. Regardless of how anyone tries to spin it to make those items look good, at the end of the day they're still garbage, because they're priced like garbage.

Foxshade is an OK leveling item, but the others not so much. I used a foxshade on my facebreaker for the physical dmg until I got a bringer of rain. So foxshade is definitely the best of the worst in that group of items.

Infractem is so crappy that I remember going back to using a Death's Harp after trying it one time, because no leech is a mod that I can't make work on an archer. That bow isn't good enough in its other stats to justify a negative mod like that, which is why that bow is completely useless. Lightning arrow pierces targets, if you want shots that pierce just use freaking lightning arrow.

Any reason why I'd use infractem over either one of these?



Ghoul branch cost me 1 chaos, and I found the rapture mark. My point is you can find a better leveling bow for the same price or cheaper than a garbage infractem.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

...Any reason why I'd use infractem over either one of these?
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My point is you can find a better leveling bow for the same price or cheaper than a garbage infractem.

Reason? Read this (or read again if you don't get it) ->

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Boruko wrote:

When Good Cards Go Bad

The summary of that article, paraphrased to make it about this situation(the word 'card' was changed to 'unique')

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By definition, some bad uniques have to exist. (The most important reason.)
Some uniques are “bad” because they aren’t meant for you.
Some uniques are “bad” because they’re designed for a less advanced player.
Some uniques are “bad” because the right build for them doesn’t exist yet.
“Bad” uniques reward the more skilled player.

As i said, some players "can find" better gear, some can't. And (practice shows) most of players are from second category. But they want to play also. So why don't let them (and let these unique to exist)?

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crazytrain411 wrote:

Yes a screen door on a submarine is useful in some cases.

For the rest of us who play endgame these uniques are a LOL moment where you link it in chat for everyone in PT to be glad it wasn't them who got it. Then again, I probably don't PT with ppl with awful gear since nonne ever seems to want it.

O-ha-ha, you're so funny -_- Such joke about submarine... =_=
"For rest of you", there are some people who just enjoy playing "for process", re-rolling tons of alts, etc. Hard to believe?
They can get benefit from these so-called "garbage uniq".
And yeah, read carefully the quote above (from MtG article)

garbage uniques.. yep, they exist

items that have too big of a drawback with little to no bonus


nice idea. terrible stats. what it has going is that chance to ignite. 10%.. for a price of wearing no armor whatsoever. yep.. inc burn: same: at level you obtain it fire dmg is so low that burn does not matter. at level - say - 40: this armor is suicide



that res penalty is so strong that would make Soul Taker a pro/con unique but it is applied to garbage +1 helm. +1 because there are like 2 gems that are both cold and fire and only discharge cares about the level. for a single +1 to gems there is the Geoffrey's Crest. TRASH



one of the biggest offenders. bow that will 'take 25% of your scallable dmg' and convert it into something you cannot scale whatsoever. for a low low price of taking dmg as chaos that most people have garbage resistance to. both lame dmg and survivability. TRASH



maybe good for zombies with Necro Aegis.. maybe



it is a fantastic weapon when 5 or 6 linked. otherwise - instavendor



WHAT THE F IS THAT?!



these are not garbage but are one of these "are you sure lvl 62 requirement is appropriate for an item that.. 'good'?"



yeah right. people in trade chat have issues giving these away for free..



PATHETIC for a end-game EV chest! just garbage!



in theory you can make fun build with it (stacked burning arrow+ele prolif to lit entire packs with one shot) but the cannot leech mod would have killed Soul Taker so while I had great hopes getting it it turned out unusable in real combat (tested in fellshrine was perfect!)



swap fix killed it. without swapping this is a pointless item



really?



maybe when 6linked but otherwise - suicide



WHAT THE F IS THAT?!

and the biggest mystery of all:



there are some fun low lvl uniques, showing that it CAN be done -these listed above simply are hoarded and seldom if ever used. i hope that GGG will do some unique fixing. not 'making them OP' but fixing. like removing that resistance penalty from heatshiver or reducing it to acceptable level or re-thinking no-leech on Infractram

some low lvl (and some high lvls) uniques that i like:

Well, while we're on the whole other-side-of-the-fence thing...

Someone please propose a build using one of this two "unique" items.

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Skivverus wrote:

Well, while we're on the whole other-side-of-the-fence thing...

Spoiler

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sidtherat wrote:

garbage uniques.. yep, they exist

items that have too big of a drawback with little to no bonus

nice idea. terrible stats. what it has going is that chance to ignite. 10%.. for a price of wearing no armor whatsoever. yep.. inc burn: same: at level you obtain it fire dmg is so low that burn does not matter. at level - say - 40: this armor is suicide

Step one: check the required level.
Step two: check how much estimated damage reduction you get out of your high-level chest armor. Is it less than 15%?
Step three: realize you can double-dip with arctic armor using this chest.

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at lvl 18 it is garbage. you find gear upgrades very often then and stats dont matter much at all. and why armor reduction? just any ES piece. armor is passe and comes from grace+IR+flasks not from items (this is simplifying ofc)

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sidtherat wrote:

that res penalty is so strong that would make Soul Taker a pro/con unique but it is applied to garbage +1 helm. +1 because there are like 2 gems that are both cold and fire and only discharge cares about the level. for a single +1 to gems there is the Geoffrey's Crest. TRASH

Again, step one: check the required level. How many +1 gem hats do you know of at level 20?
Step two: "only" Discharge?

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i know two gems that are both cold/fire: cold to fire and discharge. only spells benefit from lvls (other skills get pathetic 4% increase that is too small to warrant drawback of -res) so only discharge. also at required level even spells provide marginal gains from +1

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sidtherat wrote:

one of the biggest offenders. bow that will 'take 25% of your scallable dmg' and convert it into something you cannot scale whatsoever. for a low low price of taking dmg as chaos that most people have garbage resistance to. both lame dmg and survivability. TRASH

Step one: you know that converted damage is affected by "increased damage" sources of both what it's converted from and what it's converted to, right?
Step two: Chaos Inoculation is sort of an obvious choice to go with this bow. 25% physical damage reduction? Sure, I'll take that.

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im pretty sure that there are no chaos% scalars so first point is moot. second: check the damage figure for a lvl 60+ bow. you can buy better dmg-wise bows at Sarn vendor. fancy stat, no dmg

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sidtherat wrote:

maybe good for zombies with Necro Aegis.. maybe

I'd say it's more a PvP-style unique, as a somewhat harder counter to Perma-Temporal Chains or Enfeeble.

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sidtherat wrote:

it is a fantastic weapon when 5 or 6 linked. otherwise - instavendor

That just sounds like you're saying "6L or it's worthless", which seems a bit extreme.

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in this case it is exactly that: summoners need survivability for them or their minions == shield. if you are to forgo o shield you need a reason. 2L queens decree is not one. 5L? maybe

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sidtherat wrote:

WHAT THE F IS THAT?!

Diamond unique, second of a pair; definitely frontliner gear for its level.

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it is very nice that diamond designed it but it does not shield it from criticism - it is USELESS piece of armor that i have not EVER seen being mentioned in any build/guide/whatever. insta vendor

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sidtherat wrote:

these are not garbage but are one of these "are you sure lvl 62 requirement is appropriate for an item that.. 'good'?"

Given the number of times I've found 30% movespeed boots at all (zero or so), that alone makes it worth looking at.

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30ms boots can be from time to time bought from vendors. there are many other unique boots with 30ms that dont have mediocre stats AND high req lvl

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sidtherat wrote:

yeah right. people in trade chat have issues giving these away for free..

Not all of us play trade chat instead of the game, y'know.

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but even if you dont that trade chat and being unable to give it away for free tells

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sidtherat wrote:

PATHETIC for a end-game EV chest! just garbage!

I dunno, a 25% effective health boost against attacks isn't that bad, and the extra chill duration's also pretty neat.

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where is that 25% reduction? evasion? go to vendor, buy zodiac or whatever EV chest and alt it until you get 2 EV affixes. bingo you have EV chest with higher EV than this one. acrobatic is suicide mod if you dont plan for it and if you plan for it you also take phase acro

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sidtherat wrote:

in theory you can make fun build with it (stacked burning arrow+ele prolif to lit entire packs with one shot) but the cannot leech mod would have killed Soul Taker so while I had great hopes getting it it turned out unusable in real combat (tested in fellshrine was perfect!)

Sometimes you don't actually need every last support on one gem; also, flask mods do come in "faster recovery" form.

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thats why i said 'real combat'. in maps this bow is suicide. vs fast mobs this bow is suicide. albeit i really like the 'always pierce' stuff.. shame

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sidtherat wrote:

swap fix killed it. without swapping this is a pointless item

Pretty sure it was around before auras were - the point is the blood magic for players who don't feel like going over to that area of the tree.

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sidtherat wrote:

really?

Have a 56 duelist using this in Anarchy; the damage output is decent (and consistent), and I don't recall seeing movement speed on many other swords recently.

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sidtherat wrote:

maybe when 6linked but otherwise - suicide

That 20% reduced life stacks additively with increased life passives - it's a drawback, certainly, but perhaps less of one than it might appear.

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stacking -life AND BM is a good idea.. also def stats are very unimpressive

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sidtherat wrote:

and the biggest mystery of all:

It's for players who want to Sweep with their Facebreaker builds... or fool around with screen-sized ice novas.

Well some of those are decent-good as long as you dont have good rare items or many orbs to spend on gear and let you manage and still do some damage (especially Kaoms Primacy,it will get you trough Merciless with no problems)

Others are indeed pure garbage ,such as :

-Crown of Thorns keystone in a a item slot,its all it is.

-Hyrri's Ire ,for a high level armor the evasion is just pathetic .And again its just keystone as a item slot, but in this case it doesnt make any sense since you also need Phase Acrobatics and the low chance to evade nodes so you still need to go trough the Acrobatics keystone.

-Ondar's Flight ,the mana when hit scales incredibly bad at first although better when you face harder hitting monsters in cruel and after.But you are sacrificing movement speed,unless for some reason you are using Shavronnes with it.


I know that they are unique that were introduced early on in the game,but still could have been tweaked somewhat when open beta started when some of the other unques were modified.