Diablo 3 is happy to admit it has problems and copy POE & other ARPGs to improve.

The only really good part about Diablo 3 is already in PoE, Permanent loot allocation. Everything else in that terrible game can stay over there.

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EnderCN wrote:

With even a trivial amount of searching the internet you'll find that the easiest way to get gear in PoE is also with your paypal account.

If people want to risk getting their accounts banned then thats on them.

Is this a thing now? Stop Q_Qing and start pew-pe-wing. :D

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

Totally against GGG's wishes.

You missed the point bandied between snorkle_uk and myself entirely.

If only wishes meant shit.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

PoE is aimed squarely at instant gratification, path of least resistance, buy rather than find.
You don't get any more 'new school' than that.

I also think you will find the majority of pissed off aRPGers that don't like this model are the old school aRPGers.

True, you can recognize and old-shool aRPGer or those that are such in spirit by following traits: he plays self-found, possibly solo too, often plays melee because that's what true heroes are and can rarely sustain high level maps so spends more of his time here than playing.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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EnderCN wrote:

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my dads credit card can crit faster that your dads credit card

With even a trivial amount of searching the internet you'll find that the easiest way to get gear in PoE is also with your paypal account.

Totally against GGG's wishes.

You missed the point bandied between snorkle_uk and myself entirely.

I didn't miss the point, the point isn't based in reality. 3rd party sites are making a lot of money off of GGG and they are spending a lot of money trying to stop it. The RMAH wasn't the problem with D3 at all, it was a natural evolution of the genre. The problem with the game was the incredibly shallow loot model that made one item fit all in each slot, the itemization itself is so flawed in D3 it derails the entire game, has nothing to do with the AH. The reality is that if you want the best game in this game you can just go and buy it just like in D3 and the risk of getting banned as a buyer is pretty low, they go after the sellers.

I haven't played D3, so I can't comment on what is or is not worth emulating from that game. If there is something in D3 that would truly benefit PoE, then I personally have no issue with seeing it here. The question becomes one of defining a "true benefit".

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Slightly OT, but I'll add this as well, since the discussion is one about emulating what Blizzard does.

Spoiler

The input I'll offer here is that I truly hope GGG doesn't follow the Blizzard path. After the success of WoW Blizzard began to forget that it's gamers, not developers, who make or break a game. They got arrogant to the point of trying to tell gamers what they wanted to play rather than letting gamers tell them (you can sub Randy Pitchford in for Blizzard here, if you wish).

While they are not Blizzard by any stretch of the imagination in this regard, I find it troubling to see comments like Qarl's in the self found thread. To imply that complaints from self found players are essentially the product of "streamer envy" suggests allowing the pride they rightly feel for what they've created to act as a blinder. It's little more than an excuse for not examining questionable design decisions and makes me fear that they may be taking their first steps onto the Blizzard trail without realizing it. I hope that fear is unfounded.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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EnderCN wrote:

PoE was not aimed at the current generation of gamers, it was aimed at the previous generation. D3 was squarly aimed at the current generation of gamers, the 15-25 crowd who grew up on the PS2, XBOX, MMOs and iOS games. They are aimed at completely different markets and they both succeed within their own markets.

PoE is aimed squarely at instant gratification, path of least resistance, buy rather than find.
You don't get any more 'new school' than that.

Completely unfounded. Sorry mate, but you are dead wrong.

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makes me fear that they may be taking their first steps onto the Blizzard trail without realizing it

Well, I doubt that it's possible to follow Bliz trail in any way. Cause to do so you will need:

1. Loads of good, really good, making_your_wallet_wet_good cinematics.
2. Title that makes you dream about good all days with sweet and tender nostalgia.
3. 10 years of hype and anticipation and shitty game as a result.

So far GGG has:

1. Open Beta Trailer.
2. Pretty much unknown title.
3. Promising, but unfinished product.

So I can't really see any connections between PoE and D3 except mana/health globes.

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Reinhart wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

PoE is aimed squarely at instant gratification, path of least resistance, buy rather than find.
You don't get any more 'new school' than that.

Completely unfounded.

Well let's put that right.

Everything buy-able, not one single item in game (except the imprint on an eternal) that cannot be simply bought.

Crafting system that is far less viable than just buying the item.

Waypoint rushes.

Boss kill credit without contributing, without even entering the area in some cases.

End game content access system that favours trading, scamming, leeching and even RMTing over actually killing challenging monsters. In fact, it is such that the latter is almost impossible.

Then we go and have all this in a competitive ladder.

Now how on earth is that not aimed at "instant gratification, path of least resistance, buy rather than find"?

Hell, even for example a lvl 62 ranger, wanting an upgraded bow. Where is he gonna get this bow? From the content he can do? No, he's gonna buy it from a player who dropped it from a lvl 77 monster, so it can roll lvl 77 mods and be equipable at 80% of that, 61/62.

Or rather, the game favours the ranger that will buy this bow rather than the one who will loot the best bow he can from the toughest monster he can slay.

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Reinhart wrote:

Sorry mate, but you are dead wrong.

O'rly?

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Bozon wrote:

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makes me fear that they may be taking their first steps onto the Blizzard trail without realizing it

Well, I doubt that it's possible to follow Bliz trail in any way. Cause to do so you will need:

1. Loads of good, really good, making_your_wallet_wet_good cinematics.
2. Title that makes you dream about good all days with sweet and tender nostalgia.
3. 10 years of hype and anticipation and shitty game as a result.

So far GGG has:

1. Open Beta Trailer.
2. Pretty much unknown title.
3. Promising, but unfinished product.

So I can't really see any connections between PoE and D3 except mana/health globes.

Respectfully, if those are the kind of similarities you thought I was referring to, then you've completely missed the point of the rest of the text in the spoiler.