Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
" 1. Current system isn't hardcore either. 2. That's the point of being in a group. For example, if the party title says "ninja and I kick" then the party leader WILL kick you if anyone complains they got ninja'd. So, no, FFA doesn't offer choice. " That's not choice. IGN: Mibuwolf Last edited by mibuwolf#7946 on Feb 19, 2013, 7:43:39 PM
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" oh my.. you are so.. other people then decide do they want to join your group with options that suit them or other group with different options that suit them. that is fuckin choice. choice is hardcore. A stranger like no otherther,
Faced the wall of the Umbra, @Yastro |
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" And ninja? Ninja implies I steal the loot from someone else. It's no one's loot while it's on the ground. There is no "ninja". It's a fictitious idea made by people who believe the name on the timer makes it theirs. You see, that is a self-inflicted injury. It's all in your head. You say "oh, he stole my stuff. Ninja" It wasn't your stuff. It wasn't anyones stuff. It was on the ground, so he took it. That makes it his. Well, in life, you never get to choose if someone steals something from you anyway, (since you seem to consider anything on the ground yours), so since life is hardcore (basically, it has the most choice), we should model life. FFA it is. |
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so no, other people decide for themselves by having choice. right now, you dont have any choice whatsoever.
A stranger like no otherther,
Faced the wall of the Umbra, @Yastro |
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" But then everyone else decides what I have to choose from. That means whatever choice I do have, they give me. No. Just no. That, and I completely doubt anyone will choose the FFA loot system. Not when another option means that no matter what, they will get loot. And that it can't be "stolen" from them, as they fictitiously believe it can be now. It's all about entitlement, which is what I don't like, want, or have. The only thing I'm entitled to, is choice. Any system that gives out loot without competition or agreement between players to decide who should have it enables entitlement. Like I said, No. Just no. Last edited by TremorAcePV#7356 on Feb 19, 2013, 7:48:59 PM
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" it was my stuff if i said in group name - MY NAME - MY STUFF, YOUR NAME - YOUR STUFF and you join my group by those rules and then decide to break those rules by stealing stuff with my name on it.(and wtf do we have those names for anyway then if its no ones loot?) and i dont have option to kill you and take your stuff away from you. where is my choice in that ? like i said, the loot system is favourably in favour of jerks. no wonder you like it so much, can do all the stuff you want without consequences. cant take stuff with my name on it in real life either or i would punch you in a face. A stranger like no otherther,
Faced the wall of the Umbra, @Yastro |
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" you are thick as a brick. really. and what do u have to choose from now ?! why wouldnt they chose ffa loot when they get option to take more loot than they would otherwise get. i dont want that, i dont want to fight my teammates and jump from battle on every yellow item. i want to do quests and kill monsters, and get my spoils. that system gives you CHOICE to agree with other players to deal loot based on COMPETITION OR AGREEMENT. this one doesnt. is it so hard to understand ? A stranger like no otherther,
Faced the wall of the Umbra, @Yastro |
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" If you don't like the choices offered by any groups currently available, then make your own group with FFA loot. " Actually, your just made a group that has FFA loot, therefore there is now an FFA loot choice for anyone else who wants to join an FFA loot group. " Like I said before, FFA looting is not competition. Also, having agreements requires people to observe a social contract, which doesn't happen on the internet. Agreements require enforcement mechanisms, and giving the party leader control over the duration of the loot timers enables that mechanism. |
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" Well, yes that is true. We seriously need PVP for loot ASAP. But until then... That's the beauty of this game. It gives you choice. To do both good and bad. To share loot (like you seem to want to), or steal it (like others, not me, seems to want to). I want that choice. If the guy whoes name is on the timer seems like he hasn't been doing anything, I want to have the option to take what he doesn't deserve. It gives us the option to break the rules (to an extent, the rules set forth by our fellow players, not the games rules). Maybe I want to join peoples' groups and steal their stuff. I don't, but if I did... I want the ability to do that. To ignore their rules and do as I wish. Now, the problem people have is that they can't fight this. As you said, we can't kill the theives. That's what the new loot system needs. The ability to kill people who break your rules. Do you know what the problem with that will be? People will abuse it. They will make groups to kill people for the fun of it. But that too is choice. I hope it comes along soon. Now, to explain why your name is on an item.... The current loot system works as follows, If you have the greatest distance combined with greatest lag from the item, your name is put on that item. Theoretically, if your name is on it, no one else can get it. That means that, since you are furthest from it, everyone has a good chance to get the item. It's all about making it fair. To minimize the fact that ranged players are farther away form loot and lagging players sometimes can't collect loot. The timer is supposed to go off BEFORE the player who was farthest away gets it. That way anyone can get it. This way, everyone is on top of it (assuming everyone went for it) and has a chance to get it. This doesn't work. Sometimes a player's lag can change, meaning a melee with HUGE lag could still get a good item with the timer still on it. That's how it works. Your name is there to prevent others from getting it while you get in position to get a chance to get it. In theory, it's a great system, in practice, it fails. |
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" Here's the problem with this line of thought: if you want to ignore their rules and do as you wish, then why should we do as you wish? |
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