Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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yastru wrote:

its not being softcore, its not being a fuckin jerk. if u jump on some player unique while he is fighting monster that could have killed you thats hardcore ?
or is maybe waiting in back for people to kill mobs and then jump on their loot without doing anything to contribute to a fight.

and is truly hardcore to see 4 people standing on single item while mobs pummel them waiting for timer to expire.

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Pinchyskree wrote:

Another "period" user, like it actually adds weight to a broken argument.

The rehashed dead end cut-throat argument.

Oh look we are back again to morons who still try to push it as a one way or the other design not an option.

Yes, you heard the self serving geek nobody, everyone who doesn't want an anti social loot system can just fuck off and leave the game to rot with a few elitists who want to grab more than their fair share.

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yastru wrote:

and yeah, maybe i play the wrong game if i dont want to compete against my party mates and instead work with them toward common goal.

why is that softcore to you mr hardcore man ?

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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yastru wrote:

its not being softcore, its not being a fuckin jerk. if u jump on some player unique while he is fighting monster that could have killed you thats hardcore ?
or is maybe waiting in back for people to kill mobs and then jump on their loot without doing anything to contribute to a fight.

and is truly hardcore to see 4 people standing on single item while mobs pummel them waiting for timer to expire.

Then what is it? If it's not either of those? (<-- Joke as I realize you made a typo)

Once again, you are claiming look that's not claimed. If it's on the ground, it's free. Period. (I hope the other guy likes this.)

The name is not ownership. It's to make it fair. That's it. So that everyone has a fair chance to get the loot.

And yes, it's hardcore for me to be able to do whatever I want in the game. Whether I can help the team, or hurt it. Whether I can steal loot, or keep it. Either way, I get choice.

Choice is hardcore. :) At least for me.

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Pinchyskree wrote:

Another "period" user, like it actually adds weight to a broken argument.

The rehashed dead end cut-throat argument.

Oh look we are back again to morons who still try to push it as a one way or the other design not an option.

Yes, you heard the self serving geek nobody, everyone who doesn't want an anti social loot system can just fuck off and leave the game to rot with a few elitists who want to grab more than their fair share.

Well, no. What gives my arguement weight is the fact that it's what the devs want. They want it cut-throat. They are trying to find a way to make it not "broken" as you call it.

See, they want it fair, in the sense that no one is disadvantaged by things beyond their control like ping. But they want it cut-throat, where you can be screwed by your team mates if they so choose. Yes, it's beyond player control, but at the same time, it's in another player's control too.

It must be one way or the other. If one is chosen, the whole point of the other is failed.

There is no point to play with an FFA system is you can actively choose to avoid it. It doesn't have to be anti-social. But the fact that it can be is awesome.

Giving an out, where I'm forced to, not choosing to, share loot with people is what bothers me.

Some say it's giving choice. I say it's taking it away.

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yastru wrote:

and yeah, maybe i play the wrong game if i dont want to compete against my party mates and instead work with them toward common goal.

why is that softcore to you mr hardcore man ?

It's softcore because it forces me to cooperate. You might say, "If you don't want to, then don't join a group." Then maybe I want better loot and to fight stronger monsters, which requires I join a group. Maybe I want to screw people over. I don't, but not the point.

I want choice. Choice is hardcore.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

I want choice. Choice is hardcore.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

What do you mean "both"? One is exactly the opposite of the other. To have what softcore players wants takes away from what hardcore players want. And Vice Versa.

To choose one is to shun the other. There is no "both".

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mibuwolf wrote:

you offer loot options. (previously stated in this thread).

The people who liked having no loot timers are once again happy.

The people who hated the previous timer system can increase the timer to their needs and won't "leave the game".

You gain customers, and lose no one. That is the compromise. That is how you can keep 'both'.

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dodosuke wrote:

Will you guys just stop writing down the word "hardcore gaming" and "ffa loot" together ?

If I don't ever think about looting another player's item, would that make me a softcore player ? No.

So they are nowhere near related.

You don't even lose your character when you die in hardcore.What hardcoreness are you talking about ? I guess looting an item before the item's owner do is the new hardcore, good job you are so skilled.

Hardcore players are hardcore players.FFA supporters are just something else.

Thank you.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Loot options would destroy personal choice, almost entirely, while empowering community choice.

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mibuwolf wrote:

No? Currently there is no personal choice as far as loot goes. Create your own party = your choice, or join a game with the rules you would follow.

To be honest, timers aren't cutthroat or hardcore or anything significant. If you want hardcore, then you should be asking GGG to make it so we can kill each other to claim loot.