Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

As this thread has turned from an actual discussion into a hate spewing attack against other members of the community.

I'm out.

Wrathmar, lethal, and planet: despite our differences, I've enjoyed actually talking with you about this topic in civil manner.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Maybe you should try pitching your idea to everyone in hear again. As it seemed no one either payed attention to it, or knew what you were talking about.

Thing is, if i see an obvious flaw and i see people looking at this flaw and shrugging like it doesnt exist.
And that flaw is what prevents many people from playing this game in a *fun* way, i feel i should atleast try to persuade/raise awareness of this as much as i can.
Im not saying Full FFA is bad in itself, its just that leagues already exists like this, Cutthroat leagues.
Thats why *casual* leagues needs true-Non-FFA-looting.
I understand well the intention of the devs but in every way it makes no sense.

"Loot tension", is simply a prettier term for griefing.

I understand some people like this but cant they just stay in theyr own league and leave us casuals alone?
We dont want griefers, we dont want our *fun* ruined.
Its simply a question of logical conclusion and optimal solutions.
Im sure the team at GGG are atleast discussing this thread and how some points have been made in it.
That is its goal, to show the devs that theres a Huuuuuge divide between 2 groups of players.
And allowing one of the groups to make the whole experience for the other *unfun*, is just like saying "Adapt or gtfo".
But in an indirect way.

I have games i can play besides this as i stated before, and if this game excludes many of the new players that will try OB....
Its gonna leave a bad reputation for GGG in circulation in social media.
And the last thing GGG needs is a bad reputation.

I post like this because i see a car speeding down a cliff, that car doesnt break and will crash if he driver (GGG) doesnt fix the issues that is currently in it.
Gaming industry isnt a merry go dance on roses and happy animals in gift land.
Its demanding and needs to be treated like the fickle market it is, and the market has consumers.
Mostly us *casuals*.
And to exclude most of the potential consumers is like shooting oneself in the foot with a shotgun.
Especially with a simple thing like a loot mechanic.

I like the way it is now. I think it makes the game more fun that i have to be on edge to get my items, instanced loot like in d3 is boring.

If you are playing in a group you get faster xp, alot more loot faster and safter, is it realy that bad if you miss some items?

There is no loot that is yours untill you have it in your inventory, you simply have "gibs" on it a second or so. The timer thing is there to give ranged and melee players aswell as players with different ping an equal chance.

My sugestion:
Remove the names on the timers, since it seams to make a lot of people think it makes the items theirs before they have picked them up. And also maybe increase the minumum time on them a little bit.


ps. sorry for my bad english.

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Zombie_Raptor wrote:

My sugestion:
Remove the names on the timers, since it seams to make a lot of people think it makes the items theirs before they have picked them up. And also maybe increase the minumum time on them a little bit.

Another players calling for an increase to the base timer...

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Zombie_Raptor wrote:

If you are playing in a group you get faster xp, alot more loot faster and safter, is it realy that bad if you miss some items?

I agree that co-op is faster and safer than solo. Which is why I feel if GGG is going to change the loot system they need to up the difficulty at the same time.

Planet. You eluded to JoannaDarks point.

You say loot tension = griefing. Is this because you see your name on the item? What if it was FFA? Would it not just.be loot tension then?

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Planet. You eluded to JoannaDarks point.

You say loot tension = griefing. Is this because you see your name on the item? What if it was FFA? Would it not just.be loot tension then?

Well first of all, if PoE is going to be "Forced Full Cutthroat" im not going to play it all.
Secondly yes, it had my name it therefore its mine.

Ive got tons of games i want to play, and if PoE is going to only cater to Griefers then i might aswell spend my time elsewhere that doesnt annoy me.
I have games i want to play and if one of them (PoE) makes me annoyed i can easily switch and GGG lost a consumer.
Im not the only one that will leave either, as many people prefer instanced/infinite timer loot.
And if casuals leave, so will GGGs income.

Its all logical really.
Its 2013, people expect instanced or similar loot options.
They played Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3 and felt that system was better and less annoying, thus they will prefer it here in PoE too.
I really dont mind if theres cuttthroat leagues, to house cutthroat style players.
Infact its good then so that i dont have to play with them.
And if i get to play in a instanced or infinite timer league with people that prefer a griefer free enviroment, its what i prefer too.

(FFA looting isnt the only issue PoE has though but that is what other threads is about.)

Like I said, if it didn't have your name, or anyone else's for that matter, would still feel "griefed". Also BL2 had FFA. I'm not gonna go into a tangent with that, but it seemed to work fine for them.

Your idea of a paid instanced league was fine, and is something I could see GGG allowing.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Like I said, if it didn't have your name, or anyone else's for that matter, would still feel "griefed". Also BL2 had FFA. I'm not gonna go into a tangent with that, but it seemed to work fine for them.

Your idea of a paid instanced league was fine, and is something I could see GGG allowing.

Aslong as its possible to play in, ill play in it probably.
Payed or free.
:)

I really just wanna enjoy this game and not be *griefed* like in D2 :/

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Like I said, if it didn't have your name, or anyone else's for that matter, would still feel "griefed". Also BL2 had FFA. I'm not gonna go into a tangent with that, but it seemed to work fine for them.

Your idea of a paid instanced league was fine, and is something I could see GGG allowing.

Side side note. D3 had instanced.

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ifarmpandas wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Like I said, if it didn't have your name, or anyone else's for that matter, would still feel "griefed". Also BL2 had FFA. I'm not gonna go into a tangent with that, but it seemed to work fine for them.

Your idea of a paid instanced league was fine, and is something I could see GGG allowing.

Side side note. D3 had instanced.

side side note TL2 also has instanced loot