Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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akete wrote:

No; i will fill my friends list with nice people i meet in public games and propably end up playing mostly in private groups.

You are overly paranoid. For every 1 bad experiance there are 10 good ones. Get over it. dont expect the game to protect you entirely from the bad ones.

What about the people who mostly have bad experiences? Playing in private games all of the time or soloing doesn't fix public games sucking.

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akete wrote:

Nowhere is it a fact that first grab first gets.

It is a fact because at any time the other player (teammate or otherwise) can keep all of the items he picks up and does not have to give you any. This system can work fine on a good team but that isn't at all what the big complaints are about in this thread.

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akete wrote:

There will be ninjas, there will be douchebags. GGG cant patch that.

The douche bags become meaningless in a different system where they can't take more than their share of items so yes GGG can patch them out in this respect.

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akete wrote:

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Planetsurvival wrote:

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akete wrote:

Let's now call this Shared loot instead of FFA. It can make a difference.

Lets give players a *choice* to choose their looting style.
And btw its not shared at all. its FFA, free for all, first grabs first gets.

Nowhere is it a fact that first grab first gets. It all depends on the player mentality, this loot system works very well for team play where players share and help eachother. Have you watched or played any of the races ?

Devs wont police the public games and they dont seem to want instanced. They've said they want loot tension and I bet in the best intensions want groups to play as a team that shares the loot. Like people do in races for example.

It's up the leader of the group, in public games, to take charge and make sure the group works out.

There will be ninjas, there will be douchebags. GGG cant patch that.

You should be a comedian :)

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"It all depends on the player mentality, this loot system works very well for team play where players share and help eachother."

Right! Lets just assume that theres more nice people then griefers/bullies!
But wait whats this?
*Phone rings* *conference call mode*
"Reality here, theres more griefers/bullies then nice people, and giving people a choice of looting system is only making Path of exile better!" *click*

PS: Last time i checked it was "Loot tension" = "Griefing/bullying"

My biggest problem with the current system is that the timers simply don't compensate for lag well enough, it's almost certainly related to desync and the server's ability to listen to what the client is saying. When I immediately click on an item that drops in my name (especially at range) while in a Europe gateway instance (and about 150ms ping), I often will sit on the item for 2 seconds before picking the item up, leaving plenty of time for ninjas to take it. Clicking repeatedly on the item doesn't help. It seems to be completely related to the server ignoring the client's request.

Increase the timers and make people like me happy. It is a problem with ranged far more than melee, when you're close, the server knows you're close and trusts the client more, the further away you are, the less the server trusts the client, and that's a major problem for ranged characters.

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TehHammer wrote:

My biggest problem with the current system is that the timers simply don't compensate for lag well enough, it's almost certainly related to desync and the server's ability to listen to what the client is saying. When I immediately click on an item that drops in my name (especially at range) while in a Europe gateway instance (and about 150ms ping), I often will sit on the item for 2 seconds before picking the item up, leaving plenty of time for ninjas to take it. Clicking repeatedly on the item doesn't help. It seems to be completely related to the server ignoring the client's request.

Increase the timers and make people like me happy. It is a problem with ranged far more than melee, when you're close, the server knows you're close and trusts the client more, the further away you are, the less the server trusts the client, and that's a major problem for ranged characters.

Ya, the only real problem I see is the mechanical problems of picking your allocated items up. If they fix that the system should be fine.

Also, I don't have a problem with increasing the base timer slightly to help with melee players picking up items in a giant loot explosion.

My advice for if you mostly get bad public game experiance than make your own public game. Be a strict leader and ask players to play as team and not steal orb from eachother. I think youd be surprised what small amount of leadership does. Now if player just keeps steeling and not really playing in the right spirit you have every right to kick him from your group. I bet you wont have to kick many or any untill your group fills up with like minded people. Then make the group private and have a good time. If a player leave, make it public again or advertise in local that you are LF1.

So far the group community is tight, fair and helpfull. In groups where people arent playing as a team just leave and find another one. In groups I have led so far I'd only had to call out one player, and he left himself. Didnt even have to kick.

Maybe im just the few lucky ones that get good public groups where the loot system is a perk and not a bad thing.

Wish you all good time in Wraeclast (im leaving now to actually play and stop the forums lol :p).

If we ever get a true vote for optoinal loot system where you can pick instanced, shared, FFA, group or whatever, you'd get my vote for us to choose and have options. But I would then personally use the shared loot option for the public parties i create :)

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akete wrote:

My advice for if you mostly get bad public game experiance than make your own public game. Be a strict leader and ask players to play as team and not steal orb from eachother. I think youd be surprised what small amount of leadership does. Now if player just keeps steeling and not really playing in the right spirit you have every right to kick him from your group. I bet you wont have to kick many or any untill your group fills up with like minded people.

So your solution to a broken system is force the party leader to do a bunch of tedious and not fun work to attempt to get a decent public group. Having to constantly watch every player instead of actually playing the game is not fun.

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Then make the group private and have a good time. If a player leave, make it public again or advertise in local that you are LF1.

Again, this is about PUBLIC grouping, the second you throw your group into a private party you are avoiding the problem. You are also going against the Dev's design by doing this to avoid loot tension.

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So far the group community is tight, fair and helpfull. In groups where people arent playing as a team just leave and find another one. In groups I have led so far I'd only had to call out one player, and he left himself. Didnt even have to kick.

Great, the community is extremely small in a closed beta. Open beta starts in 9 days and attracts the worst people imaginable. You kicking people out of groups means you are punishing players that use the loot system by the designers choice. Every time you do that you are going against the designers vision. The fact that you kick anyone in a public group due to them picking up items means you actually don't like the FFA system, as what should be happening is that everyone should be stealing loot, trying to get others killed, blocking loot, etc...

This thread /sigh

It would be really nice if at the very least GGG could update a comment or two on this issue, as its been a year since they last spoke. Its quite obvious that ALOT of people are unhappy with the current loot system, and although i could give two shits what they choose to do about it, its apparent that the player base has some serious gripes.

Anyways , good luck guys.

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JoannaDark wrote:

This thread /sigh

It would be really nice if at the very least GGG could update a comment or two on this issue, as its been a year since they last spoke. Its quite obvious that ALOT of people are unhappy with the current loot system, and although i could give two shits what they choose to do about it, its apparent that the player base has some serious gripes.

Anyways , good luck guys.

Yeah, this has been a touchy subject for as long as I've been beta testing (Fall 2011).

Honestly, the simplest way to get feedback about this issue is to issue a poll to the player base. Numbers speak larger than any conjecture, either on the part of Chris/GGG or the fan base.

It's obvious that what Chris/GGG wants (cut throat looting) may or may NOT be what the majority of the player base desire. The only way to know for sure is to issue a poll on the forums and let the registered players vote.

Simple.

Current 1 or 2 secs timer is ridiculous;
You're fighting a group of champion, they don't all die at the same time, you have to stop damaging mobs, just to make sure you get your own loot (Even more so if you're ranged and melee are mass clicking the item waiting on your timer to expire)?

Yeah broken mechanic, works with friends, not with public party.
Game is awesome but this is a big let-down, this is D2 FFA mess all-over again, we're in 2013 add some looting rules please. Better than what is currently ingame.

If they want cut throat feeling, add the ability to go hostile on each other without notice and death means 2 items randomly dropping from your inventory/person.