(Suggestion) New ideas to solve death penalty and Extra inventory slots end-game bonus grind

**See.....I did my due diligence and it turns out there WAS a bug for Abyss not registering completions for challenges. But that was back in 2022 if that's what you were talking about, not anytime recently. And again......well documented and verified, not a completely speculative non-verifiable off the cuff excuse.

And yet, even that back in 2022 maybe wasn't even a bug.....just a bunch of people misunderstanding what counts as "completing" an abyss.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Bugged Abyss: doesn't exist, definitely something you missed.

Just like the other guy, when you literally say INCORRECT things its not an assumption to tell you that you are wrong. You just ARE wrong. You can either accept it, take the lesson and grow from it....or fight it and live in a fantasy world and never improve. And personal attack (not you, you've been very polite and a pretty good conversation, even though we vehemently disagree) when you can't defend your actual post "content".

https://imgur.com/GVjxHv8
https://imgur.com/f1gjO9o

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Bug during Phrecia: you mention going from level 20 gem to level 1 20% qual. This is no bug, they REMOVED THIS some time ago lol. It was well documented. Back when they re-did quality for gems to make it far more beneficial. Again......stop making things up assuming they are bugs when they AREN'T. In fact, this further proves exactly what I've been saying about this Hinder thing lol! Things being a legitimate "bug" is the absolute very LAST assumption you should be making.

Here are 2 images - only difference is cursor is moved to highlight the 20% gem that converts and the lvl 20 that did not. I was gonna move the gems in the window to make them visible in both but figured consistency made more sense.

Note the trade result is 3 items the lvl 1 20% and 2 scroll frags. That's to show that of the 4 items (1 lvl 20 more duration, 1 lvl 20 caustic, 2 prisms) only one converted. I would have included more combinations but taking and uploading two screens is already more effort than its worth.

I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.

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SeCKSEgai#6175 wrote:

Note the trade result is 3 items the lvl 1 20% and 2 scroll frags. That's to show that of the 4 items (1 lvl 20 more duration, 1 lvl 20 caustic, 2 prisms) only one converted. I would have included more combinations but taking and uploading two screens is already more effort than its worth.

I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.

My god, man, you really need to walk away.

The level 20 to 20% quality vendor recipe only works for support gems.

It works for ALL support gems.

It works for ZERO non-support gems.

There is no bug, only things you do not know.

Dude..........you keep adding more and more WRONG information to every single post. I agree with Carribbean, it's time for you to walk away.

That change isn't even new.....its 2 years old now.


As for the Abyss thing, again you are missing something. To complete the Abyss, you need to kill EVERY monster in EVERY abyss. You probably didn't, failed one, and failed the entire challenge. Again....a very OLD problem people had that ISN'T a bug.


You've spent a lot of time on the forums lately.....you ever stop to ASK someone with 40 challenges how they completed that if its bugged?! Did you ever ONCE post in gameplay help or bug forum? No, you probably didn't and just accepted that YOU had to be right. Because its simply unfathomable that you could be wrong. And that others can tell you are wrong simply by reading your posts. And not making any assumptions.


You are demonstrating just as confidently wrong information as: the OP, the CWS dude, and most others who complain that random deaths are frequent and unavoidable....as per the point of this thread.

There is no abyss bug.
There is no 20% q gem bug.
There is no hinder Ultimatum bug.
Random deaths do NOT happen in any noticeable frequency, unless your build has a weakness you do not notice.
"Tankiness" doesn't happen by stacking ONE defense.
Recovery isn't synonymous with Tank.
Peak statistics are not usable statistics for retention.
I'm sure there was more in the last few days of conversation.

There is only ignorance. And a refusal to learn. And ACTUALLY use the forum for its intended purpose: to HELP YOU solve your problems. Not complain about them. Or cry "BUG!!!!"



There is no shame in not knowing something in PoE. But jumping on the forum broadly exclaiming what you don't know, in order to try and prove that someone else doesn't know what they are talking about is ALWAYS going to backfire.

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SeCKSEgai#6175 wrote:

Here are 2 images - only difference is cursor is moved to highlight the 20% gem that converts and the lvl 20 that did not.

To give more context than the people saying "you didn't know?!?":

3.23.0 Affliction Patch Notes

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A substantial amount of damage-dealing skills have had their quality stats buffed. In most cases they will be significantly more powerful than before, and also more interesting. Many supports have also received changes to their quality stats.

The vendor recipe for turning a Level 20 Gem into a 20% Quality Level 1 version of that Gem no longer works with Skill Gems, as the benefit Quality provides to damage dealing Skills is now more powerful. The vendor recipe can now only be used with non-Awakened Support Gems.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

As for the Abyss thing, again you are missing something. To complete the Abyss, you need to kill EVERY monster in EVERY abyss. You probably didn't, failed one, and failed the entire challenge. Again....a very OLD problem people had that ISN'T a bug.

On the other hand, this one is a bug.

The challenge isn't about clearing Abysses. It's about clearing Abyssal Depths, which have a very clear clear condition: killing the boss at the end.




Regarding the matter that got this argument started:

I'm curious as to what specific monsters were killing without Hinder immunity. Rather than simply assuming that there's some bug with Hinder, I'm wondering if there isn't something adding extra effects to the Hinder--similar to how Maim Support makes Maimed enemies take increased physical damage.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

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SeCKSEgai#6175 wrote:

Note the trade result is 3 items the lvl 1 20% and 2 scroll frags. That's to show that of the 4 items (1 lvl 20 more duration, 1 lvl 20 caustic, 2 prisms) only one converted. I would have included more combinations but taking and uploading two screens is already more effort than its worth.

I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.

My god, man, you really need to walk away.

The level 20 to 20% quality vendor recipe only works for support gems.

It works for ALL support gems.

It works for ZERO non-support gems.

There is no bug, only things you do not know.

I wasn't around for that "change" and never saw the patch notes when it was changed. And for it to have worked in the past and stopped working, it sure seemed like a bug, tho in hindsight I might have noticed it was only the skill gems if I was leveling more.

Now from a practical standpoint, a person is going to level more support gems and you don't get into doing many skill gems till later. I honestly didn't think too much of it and only brought it up because cow is so insistent bugs aren't bugs just AUTOMATICALLY player's lack of knowledge\understanding.

I can totally accept being wrong about the recipe as I don't even remember if I bothered to check wikis for change.

But I have to wonder what you people think its like when you leave a game for a long while and come back. Do you really think people are checking patch notes and forums constantly to stay up to date when they're gone? The only reason I knew metamorph got changed\removed is seeing that I had a page or two looking very empty when I knew they had organs before.

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

On the other hand, this one is a bug



Regarding the matter that got this argument started:

I'm curious as to what specific monsters were killing without Hinder immunity. Rather than simply assuming that there's some bug with Hinder, I'm wondering if there isn't something adding extra effects to the Hinder--similar to how Maim Support makes Maimed enemies take increased physical damage.

Thanks for that, I stand corrected that the abyss thing is a PARTIAL bug.

It's not a specific monster that's the issue here: its Ultimatum, stacking damage, and hinder slowing movement. And likely animations that don't quite line up with damage, which is standard for very juiced, tiny area content. As I mentioned a few times, even a single additional step (achieved by NOT being hindered) can cause you to move out of the way of the hitbox of a ton of overlapping attacks. Thus, you take less damage at once and can recover between bursts better.

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SeCKSEgai#6175 wrote:

But I have to wonder what you people think its like when you leave a game for a long while and come back. Do you really think people are checking patch notes and forums constantly to stay up to date when they're gone? The only reason I knew metamorph got changed\removed is seeing that I had a page or two looking very empty when I knew they had organs before.

Uh.....because you check the forum when you encounter something that you don't remember? Instead of jumping onto the "bug" train, or the feedback complaint chain. You do YOUR OWN research. It takes less than 5 minutes.

By all means, comment on the pros and cons of the changes: but don't claim bugs and game issues without even checking first. ESPECIALLY if you were the one who was away for a while and missed like 100 patches. That's on you. I mean, I would "assume" that you know this game gets regularly updated and changed by now, right?

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

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SeCKSEgai#6175 wrote:

Here are 2 images - only difference is cursor is moved to highlight the 20% gem that converts and the lvl 20 that did not.

To give more context than the people saying "you didn't know?!?":

3.23.0 Affliction Patch Notes

"

A substantial amount of damage-dealing skills have had their quality stats buffed. In most cases they will be significantly more powerful than before, and also more interesting. Many supports have also received changes to their quality stats.

The vendor recipe for turning a Level 20 Gem into a 20% Quality Level 1 version of that Gem no longer works with Skill Gems, as the benefit Quality provides to damage dealing Skills is now more powerful. The vendor recipe can now only be used with non-Awakened Support Gems.

Thank you for taking the time to point out that change. I wasn't around for it and clearly these guys can't comprehend the concept of people taking breaks.

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

As for the Abyss thing, again you are missing something. To complete the Abyss, you need to kill EVERY monster in EVERY abyss. You probably didn't, failed one, and failed the entire challenge. Again....a very OLD problem people had that ISN'T a bug.

On the other hand, this one is a bug.

The challenge isn't about clearing Abysses. It's about clearing Abyssal Depths, which have a very clear clear condition: killing the boss at the end.

Yeah - I mean dude assumes I didn't walkthough and check if I missed anything. Incidentally I originally had an issue with 81+ logbooks but did find out it was needing a complete clear of all monsters. Having experienced that, a player tends to check if its something they're missing before assuming its broken, at least older ones. I was surprised I wasn't seeing the old hidden sections like you did in the old abyssal depths, but those were either lame dead ends or long winded roundabouts anyway.

And before I look at the thread noting the bug--- I'm assuming its failing to register because of the atlas "adding" depths when it didn't originally roll one and thus them not being credited.

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

Regarding the matter that got this argument started:

I'm curious as to what specific monsters were killing without Hinder immunity. Rather than simply assuming that there's some bug with Hinder, I'm wondering if there isn't something adding extra effects to the Hinder--similar to how Maim Support makes Maimed enemies take increased physical damage.

My bet is something was interacting with hinder wrong. Maybe its a decimal in the wrong spot or number entered on the wrong line.

However with the current state of Poe 1's screen clutter, it could be not seeing ground effects. A lot of me losing interest over the long term was that you can barely tell what's happening. In Lost Ark they get around this by allowing you to reduce the visuals from other players abilities, which wouldn't work in PoE since often the player him\herself is the source.

It's just kinda weird to see someone claim something isn't a bug with such "authority". It be one thing if it was a common problem that newer people misunderstood with a clear explanation or a well-known bug with a reliable work-around. But to assume any game of complexity (or software for that matter) by default isn't bugged is pretty wild to me.

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SeCKSEgai#6175 wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to point out that change. I wasn't around for it and clearly these guys can't comprehend the concept of people taking breaks.


Yeah - I mean dude assumes I didn't walkthough and check if I missed anything.

Read YOUR posts. Again, using "assume" wrong. YOUR words. "Gem BUG". It would have taken you probably less than a minute of time to see that it wasn't a bug. And I pointed out to you already that this was a documented change. You literally DID NOT walk through and check. Because you wrote, in your own words, that it was a BUG.

My god. And again, tripling down on this "unknown interaction" nonsense that NO ONE ELSE HAS A PROBLEM WITH.

If you want to speculate that something might be a legitimate bug, do your OWN research. Don't just spout off total nonsense!!! Negative integers lol. Again, less than a minute of time it would take you.

Ever hear of Occam's Razor? More often than not, the solution to a problem is SIMPLE, not complicated. You are trying to argue the opposite philosophy, which just isn't how the world works. If you want to argue something as convoluted as a bug or complicated stacked interactions and minute calculations or "divide-by-zero" errors, then you had BETTER prove it. You have posted about not making assumptions over and over again, yet here you are in every post making FAR MORE assumptions than I ever did in any one of my posts.