(Suggestion) New ideas to solve death penalty and Extra inventory slots end-game bonus grind

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Thank you for taking the time to point out that change. I wasn't around for it and clearly these guys can't comprehend the concept of people taking breaks.


Yeah - I mean dude assumes I didn't walkthough and check if I missed anything.


Read YOUR posts. Again, using "assume" wrong. YOUR words. "Gem BUG". It would have taken you probably less than a minute of time to see that it wasn't a bug. And I pointed out to you already that this was a documented change. You literally DID NOT walk through and check. Because you wrote, in your own words, that it was a BUG.

My god. And again, tripling down on this "unknown interaction" nonsense that NO ONE ELSE HAS A PROBLEM WITH.



When I say (you) "assumes I didn't walkthrough and check if I missed anything" --- that was in regards to the abyssal depth clearing... There are even context clues. Why would you think that I was referring to the gems still when I already acknowledged why I was unaware of the change that had been made?

It does really make me think you have this fake persona not to shield your account but to hide that you don't play at all. Most players who have done multiple 36+ leagues (ok all) are going to check if they're missing something or something else is required to trigger.

Also, just as you're chastising me for not doing enough to find out the gem thing was a change, You didn't put in the time to find out the abyss thing was a bug did you? You just assumed it wasn't and someone else had to do the legwork and point it all out.

For it only counting lvl 83 when the challenge clearly states 81, that qualifies it as a bug.

Did I bother to check myself, no, but was already too fed up with my experience by that point. Unlike the gems which could have been some change I didn't see the abyssal depth not completing was verifiable and testable. I would have probably noticed sooner but as I started in the middle of Abyss so I'm pretty sick of that mechanic so I usually have it turned off.

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Lastly cowmoo - talking with you reminds me a lot of the one person I've ever seen accuse someone of gatekeeping their bug reports in a discord I'm in. It's amusing and entertaining for a while but eventually its just kinda sad.
Yep, totally over league play.
Last edited by SeCKSEgai#6175 on May 28, 2025, 12:00:31 PM
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And you're making the ASSUMPTION that getting slowed is causing the death.


First of all, save your posts about your OTHER thread for that other thread, not here.

Also, you're joking right?

Dude literally said the ONLY THING he changed was getting hinder immunity and now he survives much better.

It is therefore NATURAL to focus on what the hinder immunity gave him in the content he's talking about lol. Pre-hinder immunity, he dies. Post-hinder immunity, he doesn't. What changed? Slows. The shock/hinder-like "bug" he describes doesn't exist so that can be ignored. Not an assumption, that's just plain fact. It doesn't exist. So what if you "encountered other bugs before". So have I. But I'll say it again: this one doesn't exist.

Being truly disingenuous is ignoring what was said, and playing into someone else's incorrect information knowing full well that it simply isn't reality. Do you go into threads when people complain about dying with their 3k health, no defense glass cannon builds, trying to tackle juiced t17 delirious content, and say they are RIGHT? Just because you don't want to "assume" they don't know what they are doing? Even when its staring you in the face?

Hinder debuff is the ONLY thing we are talking about in this particular back and forth: there are no assumptions being made, except believing him that this is the only thing he changed and is playing "the same". My posts (and others) are based on what HE is posting, not assumptions out of left field. He is literally typing incorrect things about his own build and survivability. This isn't an assumption, its his own words.



Defenses are SIMPLE to build (in terms of COST): what isn't so simple is knowing what to layer. Most players ignore 1 very important thing and wonder why their entire defense falls apart. Maybe they have zero 100% uptime mitigation and only focused on conditional mitigation and avoidance. Maybe they have no recovery after getting hit a ton. Maybe they simply don't have enough because they didn't synergize and stack. Once you learn what I wrote in my first post here, any character can be built to be tanky well into red maps and even juiced maps, without a ton of investment. People CHOOSE not to because many only care about dps numbers going up. The second those dps numbers go DOWN in favor of defense, they scrap their defense. And then wonder why they die. As Pashid mentioned, you really DON'T need a 10million+ build to clear content. 1 million is more than enough for nearly anything, and it is EASY to get pretty much any skill to 1 million these days. Spend your effort getting DEFENSES first, and then when you don't really care about dying, switch to full offense.


You snagged one word, and ignored everything else. You keep ignoring the fact that I DO NOT MOVE. So moving slower does nothing. The whole point of the CWS stunned build I have is to stand there in one spot and be able to AFK. Open second screen and watch YT while things die on their own.

Also feel free to prove there is no bug. Build something tanky, do the various content I mentioned (NOT JUST Ultimatum) and do it with and without hinder immunity. At least 100 maps of each, see where you die more. Log what you die to etc. Otherwise your empty claims of there being no Bug are bogus.
PS why do I have to hit quote twice for it to work?
lol okay I'm officially washing my hands of this nonsense....

- "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"

Keep those heads down! I'm sure it'll work out. I prefer to learn, improve, verify, and know what I'm talking about.
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Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on May 28, 2025, 12:59:26 PM
finally got ya to stop

anyways I finally had time to search for the mention of the bug I was referring to, only thing I could find was where there is an ultimatum guy who has non-stunning hits, and somehow hinder immunity prevents that guy from one shotting you

hinder bug? mob bug? non-stun bug?

ggg feature to F over players using bloodnotch?

nevertheless, hinder immunity, for no logical reason to me - is stopping my one shots in ultimatum, and harvest - where, once again - I will say I do not move. hinder/slow should not affect how hard I get hit, nor how often - since I am ALWAYS getting hit, no dodge, no evasion, minimal block from staff, 22%?
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Thank you for taking the time to point out that change. I wasn't around for it and clearly these guys can't comprehend the concept of people taking breaks.


No, what I can't "comprehend" is someone demonstrating textbook Dunning-Kruger behavior literally in the post where they are accusing someone else of doing so.

Unwarranted arrogance from a position of ignorance isn't a good look on anyone, my man. Why are you doing this to yourself?

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I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.


Like... this is you. YOU did that. Nobody else made you score this own-goal.
Last edited by ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 on May 28, 2025, 5:42:04 PM
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I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.


I wonder....perhaps because you WERE proven wrong on more than one occasion in this thread alone? And more in another thread.

I said I was out so I'm out....I just couldn't let that gem lie.

Self-awareness is a very useful skill to have.


When someone argues 1 + 1 = 3, and another tells them they are wrong, its 2....the second person has EVERY RIGHT to be confident that they are correct. This entire conversation isn't a debate: its straight up one side is wrong in what they are saying, and one side is right. WITH evidence.
Starting anew....with PoE 2
Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on May 28, 2025, 10:21:04 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to point out that change. I wasn't around for it and clearly these guys can't comprehend the concept of people taking breaks.


No, what I can't "comprehend" is someone demonstrating textbook Dunning-Kruger behavior literally in the post where they are accusing someone else of doing so.

Unwarranted arrogance from a position of ignorance isn't a good look on anyone, my man. Why are you doing this to yourself?

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I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.


Like... this is you. YOU did that. Nobody else made you score this own-goal.


Thinking something is a bug because of a change that happened when you weren't playing? It's not like it was so obvious like all my prophecies or organs disappearing, it also was clearly not that big a deal to me as I never felt the need to dig to deep. Under normal circumstances I avoided using that recipe because the time spent leveling a new gem was usually worth burning the prisms, and if you look at the character used for phrecia\settlers you'll note she has at least one or more skill gems that is 20%.

You feeling the need to jump in from time to time makes me wonder if you're friends or maybe the actual account. But still feeling the need to hide the profile doesn't attest to credibility.

The biggest case of arrogance has been cowmoo telling people they are wrong. Not because of proof, but perspective. He said Devellaro was wrong because he believed the reason for the deaths was getting slowed and eating too many stacked area effects (more or less). Yet he repeatedly ignored that Devellaro's character is very stationary in nature.

Having been a part of these forums off and on for a long time, you get a feel for who's credible and who's "emotional". While it is possible that the deaths in question were to hard to see or stacked area effects, a more advanced player understands typically understands this too. It's easier to give the benefit of the doubt to Devellaro when cowmoo automatically dismissed any possibility of a bug.

Lets take a server side crash - if I get force disconnected and I return within the window where the portals should be up but they are not, its probably safe to assume it was a crash server side beyond my control. Just because I can't see the code or what caused the crash doesn't mean I can't tell that it was unintended. Maybe it was a bug, maybe it was a server getting shutdown by a dos attack, I dunno.

The humility is being able to recognize that a problem likely occurred without knowing all the details. Assuming things are always working as intended on the other hand is definitely more on the arrogant side, as you're making the assumption the player is wrong regardless of experience, knowledge or gameplay they've demonstrated.

I mean, just look at the patch notes. It's pretty normal for things to get fixed you wouldn't even know were broken.
Yep, totally over league play.
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I really don't get where you get that Dunning-Kruger level of confidence to tell people they're wrong.


I wonder....perhaps because you WERE proven wrong on more than one occasion in this thread alone? And more in another thread.

I said I was out so I'm out....I just couldn't let that gem lie.

Self-awareness is a very useful skill to have.


When someone argues 1 + 1 = 3, and another tells them they are wrong, its 2....the second person has EVERY RIGHT to be confident that they are correct. This entire conversation isn't a debate: its straight up one side is wrong in what they are saying, and one side is right. WITH evidence.


Based on your standards you told me I was wrong -

the first time I mentioned the abyssal depth thing

the second time when I provided screen shots

and IGNORED when another used linked a post out of bug reports of people experiencing the same thing.

So in this thread alone you clearly stated something incorrect but despite being provided evidence you were in fact wrong with your assumption, you simply gloss over that to keep reiterating the bit about the gem recipe to try and mask such a glaring misstep.

My first league active includes having completed an abyssal depth, having done so before even having my first level 90. There are 5 different leagues I achieved a challenge score of 36 or higher, and two of those were 40/40. I even managed to finally bother and get something to level 100.

Oh, woe is me for that I know absolutely nothing about this game and must be corrected by my wiser, braver, more handsome, more muscular peers. I am but a mere mortal in the presence of gods.

Now I feel bad that there's so little activity in PoE that this level bickering it all it takes to end up hijacking a thread. But at the same time its amusing to think the one other person believes there are no bugged interactions just shitty players.
Yep, totally over league play.
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Based on your standards you told me I was wrong -

the first time I mentioned the abyssal depth thing

the second time when I provided screen shots

and IGNORED when another used linked a post out of bug reports of people experiencing the same thing.


like......none of that happened. Are you serious? And you continue to try and inject subjectivity where there ISN'T any subjectivity! There is no opinion going on. It's binary. Someone is wrong, someone is right. And repeatedly...you've been shown that you were wrong.

Not "based on my standards", based on FACTS. Based on you quite literally being WRONG about multiple things. And you proved your OWN ignorance, not me. And not based on my standard of "right" and "wrong".

Abyssal Depth, you were only partially right, but your screenshot nor what you said was even a correct description of the "bug". Only Jadian offered real proof, and I DID acknowledge the guy that proved me wrong. Directly. He offered what's known in traditional circles as "proof". Something of which you've done the opposite

Screenshots: proved your OWN ignorance and mistakes. You actually made me laugh with this. You screenshot your own ignorance and were called out on it. Nor did your screenshots actually PROVE anything in the first place.

Try harder to be at least close to reality here. And YES: when you are spreading misinformation to other players on a forum meant to help others, because you feel a need to prove yourself.....YOU are the one doing the harm. And I, and others, will correct you. And if you continue to insist you are correct when you demonstrably aren't, it's going to get aggressive. You should have quit posting pages ago when you were initially proven wrong. But you chose not to. You dug this hole yourself.
Starting anew....with PoE 2
Last edited by cowmoo275#3095 on May 30, 2025, 8:18:26 AM
Cowmoo - not a bug
me - provides screenshots of completion

cowmoo - not completed enough!

another person - it is a bug see this thread

cowmoo - you are wrong because you thought something unrelated was a bug
even if you were right about it being a bug I'm going to berate you and belittle you because I wasn't wrong even though I was


The way this works normally is people state their thoughts and acknowledge being mistaken. There's a general level or respect and understanding players have for each other and only questioned if something said is questionable.

This thread would have probably never made it this far years ago as the mods would have intervened as the forums weren't too friendly to people that were loud and opinionated but unwilling to back it up with their profile.

Just for logic's sake -
If someone says something is true
And you say something is not
Even if their proof isn't enough to convince you
If someone else provides proof that shows it was true
then that person was right to begin with, meaning you were wrong.

If you can't follow that then my god the cuts to education have really cost us the future.
Yep, totally over league play.

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