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Hmm i like this attitude. Being banned and complaining about being banned. They are completely right doing so. Good move.
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Posted byWilmots#7633on Apr 8, 2025, 12:17:26 PM
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and disruption of the economy.
rofl. and people wonder why path of exile is called a second job.
Oh, I don't support it either. But it did cause issues for people. So... Not okay.
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Posted byAkedomo#3573on Apr 8, 2025, 12:19:48 PM
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You don't want to ban people, who made the active choice. To use an unintended mechanic, for profit, and disruption of the economy.
Mistake or not. People knew better. They could've just reported the issue. They choose instead to abuse it.
In Early Access? Using a mechanic GGG themselves put in the game? No. I don't, at least not more than a week or so after thinking on the "intentional" factor of those who thought it was a bug and pushed the use of it to its limits. There does need to be a deterrent effect but it SHOULD NOT have a chilling effect on players in what is, effectively, the game's playtesting stage.
I also don't think most of you understand economics in the first place - more divines in the economy means a better exalt:divine ratio for most players. The only "economy" that got messed up was the 0.01% of players who craft endgame mirror gear, and that CAN be fixed by deleting the majority of excess wealth. The "RMT" bots everyone seems worried about were always going to be there, farming stuff and selling it, and (from my limited understanding) have so much wealth almost immediately in a league that this *cannot* affect us through them.
This was a mistake. Yes. Give 'em some slap on the wrists to know it's wrong and let that be a mark against them if they do something like this again but...
... what people seem to be missing, most crucially is:
Where is the line that constitutes a bannable use of existing non-bugged mechanics? Not trying to argue slippery slope here, and OBVIOUSLY this was way over "intended", but bannable is debatable in context.
Personally, I think one second one-shotting end-game pinnacle bosses is far more of an "exploit".
This isn't a 'logic' argument. It's a morality one.
You don't walk by a malfunctioning ATM and take the money from it thinking it's okay.
You don't load up an economy driven game, thinking it's okay to get free money in it because someone missed a bit of code in a patch.
The bans are because people knew better. It's in the ToS/EULA/Rules.
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Posted byAkedomo#3573on Apr 8, 2025, 12:21:30 PM
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You don't want to ban people, who made the active choice. To use an unintended mechanic, for profit, and disruption of the economy.
Mistake or not. People knew better. They could've just reported the issue. They choose instead to abuse it.
In Early Access? Using a mechanic GGG themselves put in the game? No. I don't, at least not more than a week or so after thinking on the "intentional" factor of those who thought it was a bug and pushed the use of it to its limits. There does need to be a deterrent effect but it SHOULD NOT have a chilling effect on players in what is, effectively, the game's playtesting stage.
I also don't think most of you understand economics in the first place - more divines in the economy means a better exalt:divine ratio for most players. The only "economy" that got messed up was the 0.01% of players who craft endgame mirror gear, and that CAN be fixed by deleting the majority of excess wealth. The "RMT" bots everyone seems worried about were always going to be there, farming stuff and selling it, and (from my limited understanding) have so much wealth almost immediately in a league that this *cannot* affect us through them.
This was a mistake. Yes. Give 'em some slap on the wrists to know it's wrong and let that be a mark against them if they do something like this again but...
... what people seem to be missing, most crucially is:
Where is the line that constitutes a bannable use of existing non-bugged mechanics? Not trying to argue slippery slope here, and OBVIOUSLY this was way over "intended", but bannable is debatable in context.
Personally, I think one second one-shotting end-game pinnacle bosses is far more of an "exploit".
This isn't a 'logic' argument. It's a morality one.
You don't walk by a malfunctioning ATM and take the money from it thinking it's okay.
You don't load up an economy driven game, thinking it's okay to get free money in it because someone missed a bit of code in a patch.
The bans are because people knew better. It's in the ToS/EULA/Rules.
Missed code? It’s literally using items in the game as they were designed.
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Missed code? It’s literally using items in the game as they were designed.
Clearly not. Since GGG said it was....
Unintended. And are banning for it.
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Posted byAkedomo#3573on Apr 8, 2025, 12:27:19 PM
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Where is the line that constitutes a bannable use of existing non-bugged mechanics?
There is a very convenient concept we can borrow from our legal system to answer this exact question: reasonable doubt.
We just need to ask ourselves: is it possible that any of the people engaging in this activity were unaware that they were abusing an unintended loophole in this mechanic to their own benefit and the detriment of the economy and other players?
The answer is unequivocally and inarguably no. Every. Single. Person. who did this knew exactly what they were doing and chose to deliberately abuse a loophole to gain an advantage and every single one of them deserves the consequences of their actions.
Your argument that "this is on GGG" just doesn't hold any water guy. GGG being responsible for their mistake does not absolve others for wrongdoing that was facilitated by the mistake. If I leave my front door open when I leave for vacation it's still just as illegal for you to walk in and steal all my stuff. The fact that I made a mistake that made it easy for you to do so doesn't make it okay.
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Posted byKerchunk#7797on Apr 8, 2025, 12:27:45 PM
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Banning people when the devs are the ones that made a mistake is insane tbh. Shame. I don't condone bug abuse but this was an oversight on your part.
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Posted byMrDabenport#9000on Apr 8, 2025, 12:29:10 PM
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It’s literally using items in the game as they were designed.
It's literally exactly the opposite of that and you absolutely know it.
Every single person who did this absolutely 100% knew that it was not intended design and they were abusing a loophole that should not have been there and there's absolutely no room for any argument to the contrary.
Like guy it's 2025. We settled this question in the 90s for Christ's sake... developers make mistakes and sometimes that can lead to exploits. If you as a player find one of those exploits you have two options: a) report it immediately and wait for the developers to fix the issue, or b) abuse the exploit for your own personal gain.
Choosing b) has been getting people banned from online games for 30 f'ing years this just isn't up for debate.
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Posted byKerchunk#7797on Apr 8, 2025, 12:32:27 PM
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They don't ban people if they accidentaly find a gamebreaking bug and report it (mens testing the game and report if something doesen't work as intended).
They ban people if they find a bug or in your case use a bug found by someone else, abuse this mechanic for the own advantage to enrich themself and destroy the game experiance for everyone else this way. ;)
This - it's not even a discussion.
I'm an old time Ultima Online player - even back in the dark old days of gaming the exploiting of a gamebreaking bug was something you could be banned for... nevermind in these 'enlightened times'.
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Posted byBloodskar#4480on Apr 8, 2025, 12:32:56 PM
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Do you "bans are unfair" folks have any idea how rare mirrors are, as Ritual rewards?
ANY idea at all? Do you think it's one in a hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand?
The people abusing this exploit were sitting in the same map for HOURS, sometimes DAYS, rerolling the same ritual again, and again, and again. Literally MILLIONS of clicks, desperately trying to grab what they could because they all knew a hotfix was coming.
If you know all of this, and you still don't understand why a ban was warranted... I mean, there's nothing else I can say. Get used to not understanding things, I guess?
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