Bans for "Unintended" Mechanics? Insane

This is legitimately one of the faultiest analogies I've ever seen.

Nothing about the two situations is the same, because the money in the wallet was owned by someone, while the currency in the rituals isn't.

It's actually insulting that you reached so far and failed so hard.

Again, delete the currency, hell give 'em a week to think about it, but banning them for the league is bonkers when this WAS how the game mechanic was designed to work by GGG.

The punishment should be the lost time/currency and at most a short 3-7 day ban to put them behind everyone else catching up to their nonsense, but straight up bouncing them for NOT using a bug and NOT using an exploit makes no sense.

In case you missed it, I don't condone the actions, but I guess there are children without the life experience to understand giving someone the benefit of the doubt for better constructive conversation, and of course there are poorly educated folks reading these forums.

This was GGG's mistake, and the players were using what GGG handed them.

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RaleonNightShado#3282 wrote:

Y'all can't read.

I didn't say allow it.

I said it's not an exploit or a bug, and it's EARLY ACCESS.

Fix the problem, remove the currency, but banning them makes ME not want to play because now if I find some cool interaction that seems really strong, I'm risking being banned for utilizing it.

Dude .. there was a russian dude streaming on twitch for HOURS with title exploiting the Ritual bug... those people are being banned. Not the guy that rolled a couple of times.

I don't know what part of it not being a bug you're unable to grasp.

GGG messed up. Punishing players for playing with the toys GGG messed up with is far more unethical than pushing a strong mechanic.

Like... I don't get how the absurd one-shot capacity of specific builds last league isn't fundamentally identical in utilizing things GGG gave us to an extreme effect. I'm happy to have that explained to me but I don't see it now.

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RaleonNightShado#3282 wrote:

I said it's not an exploit or a bug, and it's EARLY ACCESS.

Sir, can you please define "exploit" to me? And give an example of a possible exploit that is not (partly) the developers fault? To make an exploit possible, there needs to be a weakness/bug to exploit.

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RaleonNightShado#3282 wrote:

This is legitimately one of the faultiest analogies I've ever seen.

Nothing about the two situations is the same, because the money in the wallet was owned by someone, while the currency in the rituals isn't.

It's actually insulting that you reached so far and failed so hard.

Again, delete the currency, hell give 'em a week to think about it, but banning them for the league is bonkers when this WAS how the game mechanic was designed to work by GGG.

The punishment should be the lost time/currency and at most a short 3-7 day ban to put them behind everyone else catching up to their nonsense, but straight up bouncing them for NOT using a bug and NOT using an exploit makes no sense.

In case you missed it, I don't condone the actions, but I guess there are children without the life experience to understand giving someone the benefit of the doubt for better constructive conversation, and of course there are poorly educated folks reading these forums.

This was GGG's mistake, and the players were using what GGG handed them.

Why do you want to enable people who want to break the game so badly?

Seems fishy.

OP, you clearly do not understand what the actual exploit was if you're saying that it is remotely unreasonable to ban the people who were doing it.

This was not "I found a unique map that was extra profitable, so I ran it a bunch of times."

This was "I found a change machine that gives back five quarters for every dollar that I put in, so I sat there for 9 hours feeding it dollar bills."

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a single person committing this exploit to have thought it was anything other than an exploit.

How it is even an exploit?
The tablet said that you can reroll the favours ANY number of times. Unlimited rerolls. It said it right there and this worked exactly as it said it would.

How this got past internal discussions, approval process, testing? No one in the entire company anticipated that UNLIMITED free reroll will make players reroll hundreds of times until they find something valuable such as a mirror, divines, audiences etc?

They fucked up really bad and are trying to shift the blame and punishment on their players.

Remove the currency sure, but any account action for using something exactly as it said to be working - jesus christ, that's mental.

An exploit, in a game development sense, is a FLAW in the code.

For this circumstance, the terms are identical as nouns.

As a verb, it means to make full use of something. We exploit support interactions to create combo effects. We exploited Breach mechanics last league to gain numerous breaches.

It can ALSO mean, as I think some intend here, to make malicious use of a FLAW in a system, which can be as simple as when someone overcharges on items due to a low population count. If you're calling this a flaw in a system, sure, but typically that would be defined as being both unintended and a MISTAKE to have pushed to the final product. As in, it shouldn't have been part of the package in the first place, but in this case it was supposed to be part of it, in that form, GGG just didn't consider the unintended consequences it could create.

This "utilized to its fullest" a mechanic, as designed by GGG and put into the game, to its fulled. It didn't "maliciously" do so, as self-enrichment cannot be seen as malicious when there is no actual -loss- to others... if anything, this made the exalt:divine ratio better for the majority of players. They may have inflated some endgame prices with their spending, but again that is neither malicious nor affects 99% of players.

I get the hate.

I do.

Banning people for this is in Early Access is, simply put, more unethical than any grief you have with their behavior.

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This was "I found a change machine that gives back five quarters for every dollar that I put in, so I sat there for 9 hours feeding it dollar bills."

That's... literally how every mechanic in Path of Exile works. That it was more isn't the point. That it was absurd isn't the point. It was working "as designed".

GGG made a mistake. Vis a vis "well the ones that thought it was a bug": If someone THINKS something is a bug, and they're doing it, should they be banned even if it WASN'T and they were just wrong, because of the intent"?

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Esubane#6099 wrote:

How it is even an exploit?
The tablet said that you can reroll the favours ANY number of times. Unlimited rerolls. It said it right there and this worked exactly as it said it would.

Unlimited rerolls, but not FREE rerolls. The rerolls were always supposed to be a limited by the favor cost.