What the Hell Happened to Gamers?

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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Stryfer#0953 wrote:

I agree with a lot of what OP said. It's similar to what I alluded to in my thread about comparing this to Diablo 2, though I leaned more into illustrating how the genre changed and suggested players think about what they really want from it today.

The fact is, we are in a place where ARPGs have split across two different design philosophies: loot farming dopamine versus overcoming a challenge dopamine. It's remarkable just how polarizing these two sides are in the community.

I don't even think it's down to that. There's a crowd of people just asking for both games to respect their time more. Nothing about dopamine. The other group is saying everything is fine the way it is, nothing needs to be changed.

Part of that is about dopamine yes, but there's much more to it.

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vas1ok#3388 wrote:

Gamers have started a family, have become smarter and are no longer ready to spend the whole day on games. People value time, poe takes all your time. Easy

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eldheim#2436 wrote:

This is not an ARPG.

People that love POE1 and ARPG's wanted an updated and new ARPG.

This is not it.
ARPG's biggest sell is the power fantasy -make a character, and gradually make it more powerful.

Here the entire campaign is a slow slog unless you manage to make one of the extremely few viable builds AND get some good drops.

ARPG's has loot.
This game has no loot.

If this is your dream game, great for you.
But stop gaslighting people because they do not share your values of fun.

We are simply different.
I really disliked 0.1 and quit mid december.
Had hopes they'd fix it in 0.2 but they made it worse.

About 0.5 % of POE1 players did ruthless.
POE2 is very similar to ruthless POE1.
IF GGG are looking for that 1% of players, well done, you did a good job.
If they wanted to make a game for ARPG players, they miss so badly it has to go down in history as one of the biggest blunders I've seen.

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Lebigcheez#8190 wrote:

The same gameplay elements that make a game like Dark Souls 2 "good" should also make PoE 2 "good"; for some reason, they don't.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

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Akedomo#3573 wrote:

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Stryfer#0953 wrote:

I agree with a lot of what OP said. It's similar to what I alluded to in my thread about comparing this to Diablo 2, though I leaned more into illustrating how the genre changed and suggested players think about what they really want from it today.

The fact is, we are in a place where ARPGs have split across two different design philosophies: loot farming dopamine versus overcoming a challenge dopamine. It's remarkable just how polarizing these two sides are in the community.

I don't even think it's down to that. There's a crowd of people just asking for both games to respect their time more. Nothing about dopamine. The other group is saying everything is fine the way it is, nothing needs to be changed.

Part of that is about dopamine yes, but there's much more to it.

Like how D4 respects your time by being over in 4 hours?
No, I find that a WASTE of my time.

Also how is enemies fighting back "tedious"?

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vas1ok#3388 wrote:

Gamers have started a family, have become smarter and are no longer ready to spend the whole day on games. People value time, poe takes all your time. Easy

Why play if you don't have the time to play? That makes no sense.
"I don't have 2 hours to watch a movie, movies should be 30 minutes long or else they don't respect my time!"

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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Gkek#1581 wrote:

I would rather jam a live cactus into my rectum than play that, and 99% of players agree lol

GGG I beg you, make Ruthless HCSSF as default PoE 2 league just for the sake of this!

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Trade for people who just want to gear up burn the game and move on.
SSF for those who enjoy the loot hunt and craft.
Hardcore for those who like to nail their foreskin to the wall.

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Hornsent#1110 wrote:

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Lebigcheez#8190 wrote:

The same gameplay elements that make a game like Dark Souls 2 "good" should also make PoE 2 "good"; for some reason, they don't.

Dark Souls isn't ARPG.
Dark Souls game's goal is to defeat the bosses
You have infinite attempts to do so
You don't pay currency to do so
You have guaranteed loot (isn't randomized) in Dark Souls

You also have OP builds and Dark Souls devs never nerfed them. You are welcome to use Bleed in Elden Ring or summon a mimic tear, or even ask other player.

However your goal is to complete the game and uninstall (if you really liked it, you can do NG+1, or even NG+2, but that's it for most people).

Now imagine Elden Ring but before you can attempt Radahn once you need to kill Malenia 10 times and every time you need to kill in one attempt, otherwise you have to farm white monsters for a hour.

It will not work.

And they ruined PoE1 for this abhorrent game. If they kept their promise to deliver a league every 3 months, it will be probably fine.

Instead, for years most of their team wasted time on PoE2 while PoE1 team had maybe 10 people.

But they used money of PoE1 supporters who love PoE1 to make this "game" and stop PoE1 development.

I hope PoE2 fails and they will realize their "vision" has no real audience (wasn't it obvious when no one played Ruthless). Kill PoE2, keep developing PoE1.