Will bosses recover if you die or retreat?

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Soulmancer wrote:

Look. I am not making these claims and suggestions based on ignorance...

I created Hell Unleashed, one of the most popular and successful multiplayer mods for Diablo 2.

A mechanic I introduced was recovering bosses, if a boss was not triggered for 30 seconds it would recover. I in turn balanced bosses approriately so they could be overcome with the right strategies, party composition or gear set up. It was a much more enjoyable and smooth style of gameplay that required thought and skill... Yes sometimes your first couple attempts at a boss would result in defeat so you adjust gear and prepare and use better tactics the next time... It was a hell of a lot more excited then blindly swinging and casting spells not caring how much damage you took because at any time you can call a time out and go back to town for a gatoraid then return at your leisure... Plus you sought to avoid death because it actually meant a defeat not just some abstract xp loss.

I implemented a better system and my player base praised this aspect of my mod. You just have to balance them accordingly... The current built in exploit/cheat is a lazy way out where you don't have to worry about balancing the bosses and they can be completely over-powered forcing you to TP a dozen times. Its a poor system.

If you have to create a seperate league that limits TPing and makes bosses more interesting than so be it. But I don't want to see them same tired exploitable boss system then every Diablo clone seems to copy. The problem is bosses in later difficulties are overpowered and it requires you to TP and retreat.

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BrianWeissman wrote:

As far as the difficulty of the current bosses, just a few things to say. We have a ton of slated improvement plans for all the boss fights in the game, all the way down to poor old Hillock.

When Brutus is completed for example, you're going to *tremble* at the thought of fighting him, it's going to be such a scary, badass challenge.

Merveil will get similar improvements, and of course, all bosses will have quite a bit to say before, during, and after you fight them. You're going to harken back to the halcyon days when Hailrake was the hardest boss in the game!

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Blitz702 wrote:

If you don't like the exploits don't use them. If you really want a challenge solo the boss or find others who play like you do. But all games have exploits. There is no way around it. Somebody will find it and abuse it.


I don't care if people can TP during a boss encounter. I play the game how I want to play it. I don't want to play another D3. So I would hate to see regenerating bosses.

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Kokoro wrote:

For better understanding of the problem we can divide players into 2 groups:

1. Dedicated players who are always looking for more challenge and like to do it hard way. The more challenge the better as that requires more and more skill involved.
2. Weekend players (casual players) - They want to breeze through the game and any major obstacle is intolerable. They don't have time or will to grind stuff or research and calculate stats for better optimization.

Of course, these 2 groups are rather stereotypical and most of players are somewhere between.

The problem to solve here is how to appeal to both groups of players. The same problem was mentioned by GGG when describing the maps mechanisms:
"Our end-game has to cater to both groups of players. Both regular and power players need to be challenged in different ways, so that they feel the need to continue to improve their characters. Our Map system allows players to pick the difficulty that they encounter."

I personally find it important to make sure the boss fights are real fights and not dumbed down by abusing certain game mechanisms. Remember that boss encounters are intended as major obstacle for player progress. It was always like that since computer games were invented. Bosses are not there to breeze them through or to fool them by using infinite resources which in this case is unlimited access to town. Every boss is designed to be defeated at single encounter. I assume the PoE designers are no different here but cannot be sure until we hear a word on that issue.

Remember if something can be exploited it WILL be exploited to death. No wonder the Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3 creators decided to implement certain mechanisms to prevent fooling bosses. I remember even D2 had The Ancients quest working in similar fashion where players were forced to complete the quest at once or else it was resetted. I don't remember anyone complaining on that mechanisms back then.

Saying that, I'm open to find a compromise and one thing which comes to my mind is adding the discussed mechanism to Hardcore league while the default league would stay like now. Since HC I preferred by me I'd be happy with that solution. :)

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Kionashi wrote:

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Blitz702 wrote:

If you don't like the exploits don't use them. If you really want a challenge solo the boss or find others who play like you do. But all games have exploits. There is no way around it. Somebody will find it and abuse it.


I don't care if people can TP during a boss encounter. I play the game how I want to play it. I don't want to play another D3. So I would hate to see regenerating bosses.

yeah but why they can't fix those exploits? exploits are indeed a bad thing, so why they should not care if someone exploits the game?