[NOAUCTIONHOUSE!!!] Fix trading but dont destroy the game with an Auctionhouse

China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.
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BongDong#8000 wrote:
China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.



Don't forget his staunch opposition to a system that would prevent price fixing and allow offline players who only log in for a few hours a day to actually sell some items.

The current trade site is HEAVILY biased toward botters and other players who can be online all day every day.
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BongDong#8000 wrote:
China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.


BASED

I always think the same when someone mentiones a "voting system" so ppl get banned - that's sooo easy to abuse, only scammers would benefit from it.
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BongDong#8000 wrote:
China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.



Don't forget his staunch opposition to a system that would prevent price fixing and allow offline players who only log in for a few hours a day to actually sell some items.

The current trade site is HEAVILY biased toward botters and other players who can be online all day every day.


Good. It is not just me ...
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I swear, there is only one kind of ppl that would advocate against an AH - price fixers (or any other flavour of "I screw you over").


It's funny you should mention this, because GGG has been a heavy advocate for their current system for quite a number of years now..
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HashBob#0163 wrote:
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I swear, there is only one kind of ppl that would advocate against an AH - price fixers (or any other flavour of "I screw you over").


It's funny you should mention this, because GGG has been a heavy advocate for their current system for quite a number of years now..


Let me get my tinfoil... GGG is running all RMT services!
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HashBob#0163 wrote:
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I swear, there is only one kind of ppl that would advocate against an AH - price fixers (or any other flavour of "I screw you over").


It's funny you should mention this, because GGG has been a heavy advocate for their current system for quite a number of years now..


They are advocating some ideas from the 1999. We are in 2025. And also do not forget that some of these GGG members were working for Blizzard, a game designer who have a working Auction House in one of their franchise, not mentioning a working Auction house in the same Hack & Slash game genre.

So let's cut the BS. Only people who are against AH are the scammers and profiting of this broken and awful system.

I don't want to interact with anyone to buy an item. I go to AH, see an item I want to buy, press button buy and I expect that item to be in my Stash.

Why it's difficult for some people to understand the simplicity of this? I don't want to press Whisper, then TP to player after waiting until the seller will invite me, etc. Who TF needs something like this?
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HashBob#0163 wrote:
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I swear, there is only one kind of ppl that would advocate against an AH - price fixers (or any other flavour of "I screw you over").


It's funny you should mention this, because GGG has been a heavy advocate for their current system for quite a number of years now..


Let me get my tinfoil... GGG is running all RMT services!


Regardless of the tinfoil hatting and historical significance, the current system just isn't feasible with so many players anymore. However I understand GGG's real position: designing a new trade system will take significant time and resources, and they're worried the players will hate them for the lack of updates over a year or so while they work on it.

edit: I think they simply need more voices telling them "it's okay, we can wait". But there are so many other holes in PoE2 that need addressed... frankly it may not be okay to wait with the current state of the game.
Last edited by HashBob#0163 on Feb 6, 2025, 4:57:27 PM

Doesn't take too much analyzing to realize this game is heavily catered towards people who can invest huge amounts of time or money in the game.

No, I don't think GGG directly gets anything out of botters and RMT'ing.
It's more like RMT allows GGG to capitalize on people with a ton of money:

1) Make a "hard" game that takes dozens of hours to progress.
I don't really like to say this game is easy in this forum because some PoE players get offended by it, but the game is not hard. It just takes a shit ton of RNG-rolls and grinding.

2) Allow RMT'ers to exist

3) Let low self esteem rich people come to your game, RMT their way into a strong character, buy cosmetics and explode everything in shiny particles on their screen
(this is the part where GGG capitalizes on their design choices and not curbing RMT more efficiently)

IIRC there was a very famous person who did exactly that... can't remember the name now. Every time I mention it here, GGG's support deletes it from my mind...
Last edited by _rt_#4636 on Feb 6, 2025, 4:56:18 PM
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_rt_#4636 wrote:

Doesn't take too much analyzing to realize this game is heavily catered towards people who can invest huge amounts of time or money in the game.


Whats even your argument? Thats like everything works in real life and in any game.

Thats like saying "professional baseball is heavily catered towards people who can invest a lot of time into getting better and ppl that have money to do so even more".

Its just common sense ...


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_N0ctus_#6387 wrote:

Honestly - what are we even talking about - i could use that argument aswell and apply it directly at you but it obviously is just a strawman. Or how would you reply if i told you you dont have to use the Trading-Site and just find Items yourself so its not a problem at all?
Lets also not forget that such things also change how DEVs change their game. If ppl have good gear really fast with an AH - they will and have to adapt difficulty to that - but by that ppl that dont use it suddenly are at an even bigger disadvantage.


No... what are YOU talking about.

AH or not does NOT change the items themselves on the market or influences which kind of item ppl are able to buy, only the process.


So you refute an argument no one made - okay ...


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HashBob#0163 wrote:
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_N0ctus_#6387 wrote:
In a AH on the other hand you can instantly buy huge ammounts of items at once and you can automate that process pretty good - and its also fast.


Your problem of "players will flip items sold too low and capitalize the market" is worse with the current system because no one knows how it works unless you're already in the know for pricing and market stability. An auction house makes learning those systems easier so there is less opportunity for manipulation, not more.


Whats even the point with discussing with ppl like this when they make up the arguments for both sides and then argue against a reduced weird argument no one made like that?

Also - no an auction house makes manipulation way easier. The difference is that an Site makes individual small scope manipulation easier - the AH on the other hand makes large scale manipulation easier.


Honestly i now understand why many ppl in this thread are for an AH - their argumentation is as weird as their posts in here - where do such cheap arguments work? - i honestly hope this is trolling:

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BongDong#8000 wrote:
China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.


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BongDong#8000 wrote:
China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.


BASED

I always think the same when someone mentiones a "voting system" so ppl get banned - that's sooo easy to abuse, only scammers would benefit from it.


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BongDong#8000 wrote:
China RMT bot making suggestion to allow his bots to ban people from trading, by spamming votes on them, so he can sell his overpriced stuff...

I am reporting you, and this post.



Don't forget his staunch opposition to a system that would prevent price fixing and allow offline players who only log in for a few hours a day to actually sell some items.

The current trade site is HEAVILY biased toward botters and other players who can be online all day every day.



I mean honestly when did this forum turn into a bizarro conspiracy theory community with the most awful and obvious arguments ive ever seen?
Last edited by _N0ctus_#6387 on Feb 6, 2025, 5:11:30 PM

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